downhillgames: I don't know what the latest packages is for *buntu because I can't check at the moment; if I could safely check, I wouldn't be in here asking this question: Is there any benefit to checking out radeonHD's SVN trunk over the latest *buntu 8.04 package?
downhillgames: the driver w/ my HD3870X2 is causing system reboots. completely unacceptable.
downhillgames: soooo is there any better support in SVN?
downhillgames: sorry, I'm not a happy camper when my whole PC starts because I pushed "log out" :|
downhillgames: restarts*
MostAwesomeDude: downhillgames: Does radeon do the same thing?
downhillgames: I didn't check
downhillgames: is the HD3870X2 even supported by "radeon"? that's news to me :O
MostAwesomeDude: It's in git.
MostAwesomeDude: I figure, as long as you're building radeonhd from git, you might as well check out radeon, too.
downhillgames: got you
downhillgames: but my original question still stands heh... is there any changes that effect the support for the HD3870X2?
MostAwesomeDude: But yeah. We figure, as long as the cards are still Radeons, and as long as agd5f keeps writing code for them, xf86-video-ati will keep supporting new Radeons.
downhillgames: I mean, I assume not everyone in the channel experiences are reboot every time they stop X :P
MostAwesomeDude: Um, not specifically, AFAIK, but there's been a lot of changes. libv would know more.
downhillgames: alrighty
MostAwesomeDude: ...Can't remember if he's around right now. I'm not good with time zones.
downhillgames: no worries :)
downhillgames: that's better than leaving me high and dry heh
MostAwesomeDude: ...I'm not actually a radeonhd dev.
downhillgames: neither am I.
downhillgames: ;)
MostAwesomeDude: Oh. Okay.
MostAwesomeDude: :3
downhillgames: I can say I'm in Windows XP Pro x64 with my fan speed manually set enjoying some Trackmania Nations Forever :)
MostAwesomeDude: downhillgames: I'm in Gentoo, enjoying Touhou. (God, I'm such a geek.)
downhillgames: Gentoo and a game I have never heard of. probably. ;)
MostAwesomeDude: downhillgames: This, except I'm not this good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRMMpL65FY
downhillgames: um, interesting
downhillgames: ever played Super R-Type? :P
downhillgames: now that's a hard game
MostAwesomeDude: Ah, a classic.
downhillgames: :)
downhillgames: I used to own it.
downhillgames: pokes michaellarabel
downhillgames: maybe you can offer some insight :P
ndim: downhillgames: I have recently read from some other guy with freezes on log out.
downhillgames: bummer
ndim: The radeonhd dev who was supposed to do a lot of work within the last few weeks has an injured hand which prevents him from typing.
downhillgames: shrugs
ndim: From my point of view, currently radeonhd and radeon both offer different feature sets and bug sets, and they change every week.
downhillgames: Linux is 2nd-rate anyway. I'll just do what I've been doing since I bought the card months ago and rely on XP
ndim: So... choose the one which currently works best for you, and check back every two weeks.
downhillgames: heh
downhillgames: no thanks
ndim: My R5xx X1400 works great.
ndim: :)
downhillgames: no disrespect to devs. but I *do* have things to do besides play with drivers :P
udovdh: play?
udovdh: I just use radeonhd since day one
udovdh: and it works
udovdh: only a few issues arose which were quickly fixed
udovdh: with day one I mean the day of purchase of the card
udovdh: in december
downhillgames: um, that's great. you don't have my hardware
udovdh: which is?
downhillgames: scroll up
udovdh: over here it's a hd2600pro
udovdh: 3870?
udovdh: what is in there? not an v630 I assume
udovdh: rv670 I see
pinchartl: hi
dh2wq1: hello, i guess i need some assistance for installing radeonhd drivers. getting Error VGA FB Offset is out of range... its amd780 (hd3200) with newest driver from net
gnusense: I have a very generic xorg.conf, everything says Configured or Default. How can I tell if I'm using the radeonhd driver/
gnusense: ?
gnusense: I can't tell if I'm using vesa, ati, radeon, whatever...
glisse: gnusense: look at your xorg log
gnusense: Thanks glisse, it is radeonhd
gnusense: Is the wiki above the best place to go to figure out how to rig dual monitors?
glisse: yup
glisse: or look on the net fro randr 1.2 tutorial
gnusense: OK, thanks, glisse. The wiki says "The RS690 is - technically speaking - a r3xx based GPU, but support for it hasn't been added until recently either." I'm using Hardy, which is probably current, anyone know if DRI/Compiz would work for a X1200 card? Not a big deal, just wondering.
airlied: not in hardy.. also not in rdeonhd
airlied: you would need -ati driver, and I guess Intrepid has caught up now.
gnusense: I see, well, I'm sure it will eventually work its way in, since Hardy will be around for a while. Really, I just want my dual monitors with different geometry to work properly.
GnuSense: Is there some dual head irc channel where maybe I can find Zaphod Beeblebrox or someone to kick or in the right direction, or is this forum about as good as any for a Hardy distro using radeonhd?
GnuSense: s/kick or/kick me
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: I didn't know we had zaphod on radeonhd.
GnuSense: I looked over the radeonhd wiki above & http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 & http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html and now I actually have a big monitor, but the geometry is not quite right.
GnuSense: I think he's a lurker, MostAwesomeDude
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: No, seriously, "zaphod" is the term we use for independent dual-head.
MostAwesomeDude: But xrandr doesn't work for you?
GnuSense: I guess for something like this probably a forum would be better? It works, but I want my left monitor to be 1280 and my right to be 1680, but what I have is one big 3360x1050.
GnuSense: Oh, I had no idea, MostAwesomeDude. The problem with my display is that it would be possible to drab an application Window in to the "non-existant" part of the 1280 screen and not be able to retrieve it.
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: Hmm. Well, the way it is right now, I know that radeon can due the dual-mode dual-head. I thought radeonhd could, too.
GnuSense: What I'd really like if for my 1680 monitor to be horizontal and my 1280 to be vertical. Is that possible at this point with radeon or radeonhd?
GnuSense: I'm kind of leaning towards radeonhd because it might support my x1200 onboard video better. Should I look at radeon instead?
MostAwesomeDude: radeon has all the support, and more. For the X1200, there's EXA (rotation, render), there's zaphod, there's 3D, there's textured video.
MostAwesomeDude: I'm on an X1700 Mobility, with compiz, right now.
GnuSense: And neither of them are going to support compiz fusion at this point on my hardware, I gather.
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: ...Like I just said, radeon supports compiz.
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: Your chipset is in the r500 family. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram
GnuSense: Thanks, MostAwesomeDude. I just tried fusion-icon and got no windows decorations when I tried various things. I guess I'll try radeon and look around. An open source driver, dual monitor and CF would be awesome.
GnuSense: Great, the RS690 is described as PLATINUM with radeon.
GnuSense: Changing drivers and soldiering onwards...
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah.
MostAwesomeDude: Um, I'm assuming you're operating from git?
MostAwesomeDude: You'll need X from a recent snapshot, and Mesa 7.1rc3 or newer.
MostAwesomeDude: It's worth it, though, at least for me it was. :3
GnuSense: I have no idea, though most of my friends tell me I'm a bit of a git. I'm using stock Ubuntu Hardy with the latest updates.
GnuSense: I can install something else if that is better supported. I'm partial to sidux.
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: Hmm. Well, the xorg-edgers group does Ubuntu packages.
MostAwesomeDude: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
GnuSense: I'm not really technical (he says on an IRC channel after screwing with xrandr commands and modelines for hours).
MostAwesomeDude: XD
MostAwesomeDude: xrandr is probably the most user-friendly utility in the entire X package.
MostAwesomeDude: Well, glxgears might be friendlier, but it's in Mesa.
GnuSense: The web site you pointed me to doesn't seem unduly reassuring: Go break your X here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive
MostAwesomeDude: They enjoy joking.
MostAwesomeDude: But.
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah, your X might break. You should be prepared to know how to remove the packages and roll back, in case things go wrong.
MostAwesomeDude: Typically, they don't put bad packages up, but on the other hand, Ubuntu loves to break.
GnuSense: Is Debian sid a better choice? Or testing?
MostAwesomeDude: The packages aren't in sid yet.
GnuSense: I'm not too attached to this install.
MostAwesomeDude: I'm running these packages from Debian lenny.
GnuSense: I'm just hesitant to install testing or sid because I'm a KDE user and don't like how KDE4 is shaping up and I'm afraid with a rolling release I'll be forced to upgrade before KDE4 is ready for prime time.
GnuSense: KDE4 will probably be injected in testing and sid after Lenny becomes stable this fall.
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah, I'm definitely running XFCE on the Debian workstation.
GnuSense: At least with Hardy I can cling to KDE3 for another year or two.
Tanktalus: I'd love KDE4 more if: a) PIM were there (crosses fingers for 4.1) and b) radeonhd supported compositing ;-)
MostAwesomeDude: Tanktalus: Which card?
Tanktalus: MostAwesomeDude: 3870HD (RV670)
MostAwesomeDude: Tanktalus: Ah.
Tanktalus: fglrx was fine ... except for the entire system crashes... uptime of the system was getting to be a problem.
Tanktalus: At least with radeonhd, when I try something that doesn't work, it just brings down X and I get to log in again. :-)
Tanktalus: is running kde4 anyway, though.
GnuSense: Good for you, Tanktalus, it bugs the bejeesus out of me, but I might as well get used to it. I'm sure in a year they will have worked most of the bugs out.
Tanktalus: Well, I'm about to ask what you have a problem with in KDE4, but I suspect we'd be getting off-topic here ;-)
Tanktalus: (I only said anything to voice a single user's hope for 3D support in radeonhd for among the newest cards)
GnuSense: Just the standard stuff most kde users seem to dislike, missing features, lack of configuration options, instability.
GnuSense: So MostAwesomeDude, if I don't track git I guess on compiz fusion for me?
GnuSense: Looks like all the goodness will be in intrepid, I can wait. Take it easy, folks.
MostAwesomeDude: GnuSense: Yep. Later.