Nightwulf|work: hi all
zoyd: is undergoing a distro upgrade .. and hoping to test the radeonhd on his radeon HD3200 video chipset .. hoping to get some much needed 3D support
amarsh04: zoyd, I have a radeon 3200hd in my other machine and just use the radeon driver
zoyd: amarsh04: cool, do you use any 3D apps?
amarsh04: Debian unstable plus ddx and mesa from experimental
amarsh04: only a bit of etracer and tuxkart
zoyd: "ddx"?
amarsh04: as in xserver-xorg-video-radeon 6.13.0 (ddx or device-dependent X), libdrm-radeon1 2.4.21 and mesa 7.8.1
amarsh04: I'll have to swap machines to give you the glxgears figure - it's not high but it works
zoyd: amarsh04: that's ok, i just wanted to know if blender3d is usable(?)
zoyd: i read that it kind-of works .. but could be a little more descriptive
amarsh04: I haven't used blender... I took the machine around to a friend's place and while I couldn't get hdmi audio to work I could use the standard audio and hdmi in 1920*1080 mode
amarsh04: what distro are you running?
zoyd: it's a source-based 'distro'
zoyd: amarsh04: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
amarsh04: hehehe... I've not had time nor inclination for that
zoyd: :)
amarsh04: when I saw Debian upgrading libc6 without needed a reboot I was hooked
zoyd: so i guess i'll have to install and try for myself
amarsh04: the radeon driver is probably more advanced than the radeonhd driver... helpful folks including developers are in #radeon
zoyd: hmm, i'll try both
amarsh04: only radeon supports kernel mode setting
zoyd: framebuffer?
amarsh04: I'm not up on the details, but my two machines, this with the radeon 9200se and the other with the radeon 3200hd start in text mode and go into framebuffer mode a few seconds into the boot process
zoyd: cool
amarsh04: I could boot directly into frame-buffer mode but I'd prefer a setup that would boot ok even with a completely different video card installed
Berxwedan: hello, how are radeonhd drivers doing compared to fglrx drivers?
Berxwedan: in 3d gaming
chithead: radeonhd is a ddx, it is not related to 3d acceleration. that is mesa's part
Berxwedan: i read that radeonhd's 3d support is better than radeon's for 4xxx series
Berxwedan: hd 4890
chithead: no idea who said that. but the same mesa code is used
Berxwedan: will radeon drivers give full 3d support for 4xxx series in near future?
Berxwedan: you have any idea?
Berxwedan: i dont mind using closed source drivers from amd but they're problematic
Berxwedan: i cant even play videos without tearing
Berxwedan: and open-source drivers wont give me the full 3d support
Berxwedan: i dont know what to do now, i'm stucked with ms windows right now
chithead: no, radeon and radeonhd will NEVER give you 3d. it is not their job
chithead: http://yangman.ca/blog/2009/10/linux-graphics-driver-stack-explained/
Berxwedan: chithead: so from what i've understood mesa does the 3d part and radeon/radeonhd does the 2d part
yangman: Berxwedan: essentially, yes
Berxwedan: so i need both radeon and mesa for full functionality?
Berxwedan: do i need anything else?
yangman: recent enough kernel with the correct DRM
Berxwedan: but i guess linux distributions come with both mesa and radeon
Berxwedan: i know they come with radeon but do they come with mesa as well?
chithead: current ubuntu release should come with all that is needed
Berxwedan: http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature
Berxwedan: the way i see it, there's no difference between radeon and radeonhd features
Berxwedan: actually radeon is more complete