TGEN: anyone else have irregular cursor corruption?
udovdh: not that I know
udovdh: graphic mode I assume?
udovdh: what card, resolution, etc?
udovdh: maybe the devs will read this
TGEN: R580+, 1680x1050+1440x900
TGEN: DragonFly BSD i386
libvde: TGEN: yeah, we caught this pretty early on already... but no idea as to the cause
libvde: TGEN: big virtual resolutions seem to trigger it
TGEN: I peered at radeon(4) code
TGEN: but there's nothing obviously different
libvde: TGEN: do you also see the first 4 lines repeated?
TGEN: (besides it being a different driver etc)
TGEN: libvde: I sometimes spot moving patterns over my cursor
TGEN: like grey rectangles
libvde: ok... hrm, then this is a different thing
libvde: TGEN: are you using acceleration?
TGEN: as in EXA or XAA?
TGEN: I'd have to check
TGEN: neither EXA nor XAA are listed as extension by xdpyinfo, so I guess not
libvde: so you have explicitely stated ShadowFB as accelmethod?
libvde: check your log
libvde: i also assume that you are running a current git
libvde: try git please :)
TGEN: if you'll commit the patch I just sent, sure ;)
egbert: TGEN: exa or xaa are not extensions
TGEN: tgen@virgo$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep XAA
TGEN: tgen@virgo$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EXA
TGEN: tgen@virgo$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep xaa
TGEN: (II) Loading sub module "xaa"
TGEN: so I guess I'm using XAA, then
libvde: no, that's a useless ,odule load :)
libvde: left over from when the driver skeleton was created :)
TGEN: besides the loading messages, nothing else regarding xaa
TGEN: compiling from git proves to be hard because I can't build from my package management system
TGEN: it won't find some X.org related stuff
theclaw: I need to buy a new graphics adapter, the radeons which satisfy my needs would be cheaper; how long will it propably take until the free driver supports Xvideo, 3D, rotating of the screen (afaik, all of those three need 3D accel.)?
libvde: TGEN: do you have the SDK installed, i have no idea what things are like under dragonfly
libvde: theclaw: i can't give you any solid estimates :)
libvde: theclaw: but this year still should be wide enough a statement :p
libvde: seeing that we have only 10.5 short months left :p
MaximLevitsky: I finally found that AMD driver docs are actually written by , 3D Realms, and they even promised to release them few months after the Duke Nukem Forever..... :-) Seriously, when to expect AMD to release its manuals?
CornedBee: I think the next bunch is expected at FOSDEM.
CornedBee: About a week from now, then.
MaximLevitsky: Good to hear that
MaximLevitsky: I am currently reading intel docs, and I like GPU programming more and more
TGEN: libvde: you mean X.org headers and such?
TGEN: libvde: or just autofools?
TGEN: fwiw, in pkgsrc you always get headers and such with packages
TGEN: no '-devel' crap
theclaw: MaximLevitsky: I would be interested, too - can you give me hints where to start?
TGEN: theclaw: google OpenGL tutorials?
theclaw: TGEN: are you serious?
TGEN: I assumed you want to 'program' graphics hardware in a portable fashion
TGEN: which would mean something like GLSL
theclaw: no, I meant "GPU programming"
theclaw: "driver progamming"
TGEN: "GPU programming" would mean higher-level shading languages or things like CUDA
TGEN: for GPU driver programming, docs or excellent reverse engineering skills are required
MaximLevitsky: First of all I do suggest you to read about OprnGL and GPU programmng
MaximLevitsky: Yep, and thus only intel drivers are ok for that work for now
MaximLevitsky: Some time ago I did read on the web quite a lot about how GPU works and, how generally 3D pipeline works, what are shaders, and things like that
MaximLevitsky: Although I still have to learn a lot there
TGEN: I've been around when 3D accelerators were first introduced for consumer PCs
TGEN: so I caught facts and tidbits here and there along the way
theclaw: MaximLevitsky: do you still have the link to this website?
theclaw: (or wasn't it a specific one?)
MaximLevitsky: No, I looked around the web
MaximLevitsky: You know, bit there, bit there, I don't know much myself
MaximLevitsky: Btw, you can look at intel docs, they are quite good
calica: any guesses which will support compiz first, R500 or R600?
Ryszu: R5xx supports it right now :P
calica: with radeonhd or radeon driver? how about EXA?
Ryszu: With fglrx
calica: oic. I'm sorta a FOSS driver snob :-). The nvidia blob annoyed me to the point that I just use nv and ignore 3d heheh
Ryszu: Well, good luck getting 3D acceleration on Linux
calica: I don't play games. I'm not in a rush and I'm looking for a low end card. Bandwidth is high enough, unaccellerated 2d shouldn't be too bad (for now)
calica: eventually, compiz bling would be nice, hence my question.
Ryszu: Even if you don't play games, 3D graphics is still a useful thing for a PC to do in 2008, compiz bling aside
Ryszu: As far as radeonhd goes, likely both chip families will get compiz support at the same time
calica: ok, good to know. thanks
Temujin_: calica, nothing wrong with being a FOSS snob - "USE THE SOURCE, LUKE!"
Temujin_: i'm the same way, forgoing 3D for a more stable 2D experience
airlied: r500 will get compiz first..
airlied: its nothing to do with radeonhd, and all to do with a 3D driver in Mesa..
calica: nice. Any suggestions for a card? PCI-E, cheap, no fan
calica: airlied: I alway check you blog for updates
libvde: calica: two dvi connectors or not?
calica: undecided. Not currently but maybe in the future
libvde: well, since it needs to be fanless; you might want to look into an X1550
airlied: I think I have a HD2400 fanless..
libvde: or, when older, X1300
airlied: but the exact model escapes me..
libvde: airlied: most are
Ryszu: Certain HD 2600 XTs are fanless, too (and X1650s as well)
libvde: calica: so there are plenty of options :)
Arrow: Hi all
Arrow: musquiter hey
Arrow: tier even
Arrow: metalth hey
TGEN: hmm, I don't really have a choice between 2D and 3D :)
gummybearx: hey....are there upgrade instructions for going from fglrx to radeonhd?
Ryszu: It depends on your distro really
gummybearx: opensuse 10.3
gummybearx: is there not a bot that has informational messages here?
marcheu: is the driver installed ? if so it's just about editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replacing fglrx with radeonhd
marcheu: as far as installation goes, opensuse packages it so it should be pretty simple
calica: Will R5XXs run with the vesa driver until radeonhd is installed?
marcheu: yeah vesa runs mostly everywhere (but single screen & slow)
gummybearx: yea i was hoping it was a simple install
gummybearx: cool ill give it a whirl
gummybearx: :-) that went well
gummybearx_: hey does any one know if lockup on VT switching is a problem?
gummybearx_: rather, back to VT7?
Ryszu: I get that sometimes
gummybearx_: yea kinda sucks
Ryszu: However, I tend not to ever VT switch, so I don't mind too much
gummybearx_: yea. oh well. im hoping this radeonhd thing takes off so i dont have to keep installing crappy drivers every month