udovdh: PinkFreud, is that a way to force Xorg to startup with some mode?
udovdh: I have to do
udovdh: $ xrandr --verbose --output DVI-I_2/analog --mode 1280x1024screen 0: 1280x1024 450x360 mm 72.25dpi
udovdh: to get it to 1290x1024 from 1024x768
udovdh: how do I force Xorg to start with 1280x1024?
udovdh: Modes "1280..." don't work
udovdh: also it takes a while before the final line(s) appear
udovdh: after issuing the xrander command
udovdh: I mean:
udovdh: screen 0: 1280x1024 450x360 mm 72.25dpi
udovdh: crtc 0: 1280x1024 60.0 +0+0 "DVI-I_2/analog"
udovdh: on the crt that was faster than here on the lcd
udovdh: why is my monitor listed at least twice in Xorg.0.log , for digital and analog on DVI, even when it is only attached with a VGA adapter?
stas_on: how result on x1600 card?
stas_on: topic is dead?
Slegge: PinkFreud: i bet u are gone by now, but is there a way to have the driver ignore the EDID information it recives from the tv?
Slegge: if i start x while the tv is off, it uses my preffered mode, if the tv is on, it wont use it as it is out of range according to EDID
PinkFreud: Slegge: You should start by reading the man page for radeonhd
PinkFreud: However, from my experience, most problems similar to what you're experiencing stem from xrandr being rather insistent on presenting you with a mode *it* thinks will work.
PinkFreud: There are a few options for the radeonhd driver (outlined in the man page) which may alleviate that - for instance, RRUseXF86Edid may work for you.
PinkFreud: worst case, you can always disable randr via the NoRandr otion.
PinkFreud: Apparently, though, the authors of radeonhd are relying heavily on randr, so if you turn it off, you may find some things don't work for you, like dual-head.
Slegge: heh, man page is about the only thing i haven't read so far :p
Slegge: thanks, i'll give it a shot :)
PinkFreud: good luck
udovdh: PinkFreud, how do I force an xrandr mode on Xorg startup?
udovdh: Modes "bla" in xorg.conf don't work
udovdh: As in the Modes keyword in xorg.conf?
udovdh: so I need to add a monitor section?
udovdh: (but thanks for helping)
udovdh: can that PreferredMode go without a modeline so tht xrander can find the mode?
PinkFreud: udovdh: I would check the man page for xorg.conf for the syntax.
udovdh: yes, but also this 'exceptional 'case?
PinkFreud: typically, though, PReferredMode goes in your Monitor section
udovdh: I mean: We want as little to configure as possible
PinkFreud: I'm not sure if PreferredMode can use an xorg-generated modeline. It may be able to.
PinkFreud: I'd say try it.
PinkFreud: anyway, I have things to attend to here
udovdh: Hmmm. man page says:
udovdh: This optional entry specifies a mode to be marked as the pre-
udovdh: ferred initial mode of the monitor. (RandR 1.2-supporting
udovdh: drivers only)
udovdh: so I could be safe without a modeline?
Slegge: udovdh: if i was you, i'd just try it
udovdh: can't try now (too many things going on that rely on Xorg)
udovdh: but will do!
markit: I've a ati mobility 2400, kubuntu 8.04alpha, and don't want binary ati drivers. What is the most feature-rich Free driver I can use for that board? at the moment I'm using plain "vesa"
Terman: markit: probably the (beta-grade) xf86-video-ati from git. Or, it that doesn't work try radeonhd
Terman: also from git
markit: ok, thanks
markit: hi, I've just installed kubuntu 8.04alpha2 radeonhd package, and seem to work really good so far
markit: much much faster and better than "vesa" driver I was forced to use
dli: markit, yes
markit: thanks for your work :))
markit: hope amd will keep releasing specs and let you implement 3d as well
dli: markit, not me, but you may also try the radeon driver, which has drm support also
markit: time to throw my other pc nvidia board and buy an ati one
atealtha: markit: would you happen to know the name of the package? I'm on Debian Testing right now trying to get my ATI to work
markit: I've a hd2400 mobility... R600 chip, is it supported by radeon driver?
markit: atealtha: I've just turned the laptop off... let me boot again
markit: or you could just search the debian database, no?
markit: that's the name
markit: btw, is the same in sid
markit: asgard64:~# apt-cache search radeonhd
dli: markit, I suggest you to wait longer, before buying ati :(
dli: atealtha, I think it's in debian sid
atealtha: hmm aptitude did not get it
markit: dli: why? have they changed their mind?
markit: atealtha: I'm in debian sid
markit: atealtha: (I suggested you to go to www.debian.org site and in the search package part, to find what debian has)
markit: but seems that only sid has
dli: markit, I guess it may take another year for you to see a functional (2D/3D) driver, or even longer
markit: so you could add sid repo, and install with the /sid option
markit: dli: SO long? sigh
dli: atealtha, you can backport it to testing
markit: I don't want to use proprietary drivers, and I will not
atealtha: markit: yup I see it there, but aptitude install -t unstable
markit: so I'm sad I will have to wait so long
markit: atealtha: have you added the sid repo and aptitude update ?
atealtha: I'm using both testing and unstable repos
dli: markit, buy intel then, my intel i830 still runs faster, and even runs aiglx without problem
markit: dli: do intel sell stand alone graphic boards? any suggestion?
dli: atealtha, don't install sid :( since you are asking
dli: markit, not yet, but I heard intel plans doing so
atealtha: well I'm going to directly download the .deb files and cross my fingers
markit: atealtha: I think you can try apt syntax, something like apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd/unstable
dli: atealtha, that's bad, don't mix repositories in debian
dli: atealtha, no, backport it
atealtha: from testing?
markit: dli: backport?
dli: atealtha, for testing
markit: listens carefully
atealtha: I know etch backports, don't know about testing
dli: atealtha, backport here means you do "apt-get -b source"
Fry-kun: is there any indication of when 2d and/or 3d acceleration will start working?
dvandyk: Fry-kun: there isn't documentation on those features yet
dli: Fry-kun, not until amd releases specs
markit: dli: so do you have a pcx intel video boad to suggest me?
Fry-kun: did they announce when they plan to do that, though?
dli: markit, I think x3100 is comparable to ati x1250, intel has x3500 for geeks
dli: Fry-kun, they said "maybe" next year
dli: Fry-kun, "maybe" some specs, definitely not all
dvandyk: dli: where do you have that from?
dli: dvandyk, they didn't just say once, so you can always get the news
markit: dli: are you sure that there are pci-x boards with that chipset? or just integrated in the mb?
Fry-kun: i've installed radeonhd and so far lvds works pretty well (except for not being able to switch resolutions); the external monitors don't work well at all (always get wrong resolutions), and system almost hung as soon as I tried playing a movie
Fry-kun: kinda sad :(
dli: markit, right now, intel doesn't do discrete video cards yet
markit: dli: that's prevented me to buy one so far, lol
dvandyk: dli: can you point me to such a statement?
Fry-kun: granted, one external monitor has broken EDID, but windows and fglrx somehow work around the problem(s)
dli: Fry-kun, I suggest to buy intel video only, any way, amd cpu is still far behind of intel core 2
markit: so I could change MB, but since I'm using AMD-X2 processor, I would have to change processor also...
Fry-kun: by the way, is DDC just an older version of EDID?
Fry-kun: dli: yeah, I'll just go an buy a new video chip for my laptop :P
dvandyk: dli: depends on the way you use your cpu ;-)
dvandyk: dli: HPC computing still tends to AMD CPUs
dvandyk: oops, HP-computing of course
dli: dvandyk, this one is pretty new: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7021&highlight=bridgman
ajax: Fry-kun: EDID is the information block. DDC is one way of getting it.
ajax: Fry-kun: it's also legal to get EDID from other sources, like say, ACPI.
dvandyk: dli: tsa
dli: dvandyk, yes, you can find some tricks on amd.com to make amd benchmarks look better, I guess
dli: dvandyk, however, I do my own benchmarking
dli: dvandyk, I think amd can do super-pi 1M in 30s now (not sure), geeks has made less than 10s for intel
Fry-kun: ajax: thanks for the explanation :)
Fry-kun: dli: what did you mean by "amd cpu is still far behind of intel core 2"?
Fry-kun: core 2 is the cpu, not gpu... unless i'm very much mistaken
dli: Fry-kun, I mean there's no point to buy amd cpu, if you can buy core 2. then, why not buy intel cpu + gpu
dvandyk: dli: a) the link you gave me did not reflect what you previously stated
dvandyk: dli: b) i'm not speaking of synthetic benchmarks like super-pi
Fry-kun: well, right now i'm on a dell e1505 - it uses Core Duo (not core 2) with amd graphics
dli: dvandyk, I guess you didn't even go to the next page
dvandyk: dli: i'm speaking about memory throughput
dvandyk: dli: i did
Fry-kun: it's not like they're tied together...
dvandyk: 22:57 < dli> Fry-kun, "maybe" some specs, definitely not all
dli: dvandyk, okay, I said it wrong, I'm sorry. I'm not going to google for anyone
dli: Fry-kun, what I said is accurate up to now. I guess this guy is from amd propaganda dept
markit: how is radeondhd compared to "nv"? I've winXP running inside KVM in 2 pc, and the one with radeonhd is considerable faster, but don't know if due to host video driver
Fry-kun: dvandyk: so basically it turned from "we'll be releasing the specs" to "'maybe' we'll release some later"?
dvandyk: dli: well, i find it irritating that you state "AMD will [release ...] definitely not all [specs]" and give me a link that has an AMD official saying that they will release specs "without holding back 3d information"
Fry-kun: markit: radeonhd is not for nvidia, for starters...
dli: markit, read the post, it compares the drivers (for ati): http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7021&highlight=bridgman
dvandyk: Fry-kun: the other way round it seems
markit: Fry-kun: read my question first :9 I do have 2 pc, one with nv (and nvidia) and one with radeonhd (and ati)
markit: thanks dli
Fry-kun: markit: ah, sorry
Fry-kun: but still "apples vs. oranges" :)
dli: markit, nv was written with some specs (2D only) from nvidia, and nvidia stopped helping it for long. now there's a nouveau project aiming to replace nv
dli: markit, if you still use nv, you may consider nouveau
markit: dli: ok, let's check if debian sid has :)
markit: no, it does not :(
markit: I'd better change graphic card then
dli: markit, yes, that's why I suggest intel video for now :(
Fry-kun: is nvidia also releasing the specs? or is nouveau based on reverse engineering?
Fry-kun: i don't have any nvidia cards, but i'm curious
markit: reverse, I suppose
Fry-kun: i see
dli: Fry-kun, yes, nvidia has stated it won't help nouveau
Terman: markit: nouveau is based on reverse engineering (nouveau.freedesktop.org)
Terman: radeonhd is written from specs (primarily) by novell engineers
dli: Fry-kun, at least, amd is helping open source drivers
Fry-kun: right, that last piece i know
Fry-kun: so.. is 2d/3d accel development for radeonhd waiting for specs? aren't there any parts of it that can be developed in the meanwhile?
Fry-kun: s/waiting for/completely halted by/
Terman: and the radeon driver (xf86-video-ati) is basically a driver that is written on r200 specs and r300 reverse engineering with the mode setting stuff for the r500 and r600 adapted from radeonhd (and using the specs)
dvandyk: Fry-kun: "We expect to start providing information in the first quarter of 2008. "
dvandyk: Fry-kun: http://www.beyond3d.com/content/interviews/43/2
Terman: the radeon driver is probably the driver that will first have some sort of (2d) acceleration, but afaik it doesn't have yet
dli: Terman, radeon has some 2D acceleration for r500
dvandyk: Fry-kun: re: Shader core information
Terman: dli: yes, but afaik, git head doesn't have that support yet due to missing drm checkins (airlied.livejournal.com)
dli: Terman, I'm using the r500-support branch for drm
Terman: dli: I thought so
Fry-kun: just read through the links, plenty of info there, thanks
Fry-kun: so.. if radeonhd has so many resources working on end-user issues, and the biggest strength is modesetting, how come my external monitor & projector can't set the right mode yet?
Fry-kun: (apologies for bitter sarcasm)
dli: Fry-kun, try radeon, there's a chance
Fry-kun: well, i see more promise from radeonhd - and it's better if you fix the modesetting problems now that there isn't all that much work to be done in other areas ;)
dli: Fry-kun, radeon does modesetting differently, they are doing parallel right now
Fry-kun: i thought i heard that radeon is also winding down, like avivo
Fry-kun: though that might've been someone confused
dli: Fry-kun, not really, bridgman sees differently, there could be a merge, eventually
markit: sleep time, bye :)
jas0n: hi. i have radeonhd in version 1.1.0 and problem with setting DisplaySize in xorg.conf
jas0n: it seems that radeonhd driver doesn't recognize correctly screen size
jas0n: i've set DisplaySize 370 277 to get 96dpi @ 1400x1050
jas0n: don't know why, i get 119x116 dots per inch with DisplaySize 370 277
gusta1: i've never gotten dpi settings to work on nvidia neither the last years. seems like it's been very altered over the last years in X..
gusta1: i've adapting to a dead-ugly interface...
jas0n: with fglrx it works
gusta1: well, no devs will be listening until after new year I suppose, so come back then, that's my hint
jas0n: oh, right :)
jas0n: i've almost forgot about christmas
dli: they need devs from around the world:)
gusta1: it's christmas in europe now...