DanaG: Hmm, is there any easy estimate for how long it'll take to reach a state where compiz-fusion can run?
DanaG: I'm pondering what to get in my next laptop, which I may end up waiting until summer for, anyway.
DanaG: I'm sick of my issues with NVIDIA.
airlied: buy intel..
DanaG: But I'm a gamer, so Intel isn't really an option.
airlied: DanaG: then buy whatever GPU goes fastest.. you won't be using open drivers..
DanaG: Perhaps the best thing for me to do is to merely wait until summer, and look at both fglrx and radeonhd. As long as fglrx is decent by then, I'd be happy.
DanaG: I'm just sick of the random screen blinking and occasional hard freezes (that sometimes unfreeze after 30 seconds, but sometimes never unfreeze, and require at least a SAK).
dli_: DanaG, don't choose ati if you couldn't even tolerate nvidia
dli_: DanaG, you have to be an angel if you can live happy with fglrx
DanaG: I guess I'll just have to look around when I am ready to buy, to see how things are then.
DanaG: The last time I used ATI was with my desktop 9800 Pro.
dli_: DanaG, if you are sick of binary only drivers, intel is still the only choice
dli_: DanaG, if you can tolerate binary drivers, then, nvidia is the only choice
DanaG: ATI binary is still bad? Bummer.
dli_: DanaG, it's not just bad, it gross
dli_: DanaG, if you want to know how much people hate fglrx, read: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3511&highlight=contest
DanaG: Too bad few people offer switchable Intel/NVIDIA GPUs.
DanaG: Eeh, I'll just look again when the time comes. I can live with my current laptop for plenty longer.
DanaG: Well, thanks for the insight. Bye!
level1: Hi, I have a laptop with a panel, I'd like to display output on the vga output, how do I do that?
level1: something like xrandr --output 1 --auto?
andres: I just wanted to notify you all, that radeonhd from master, works nicely with my x1300.
andres: Thanks for that.
andres: (including video via xshm)
pkern: andres: Out of curiosity, although I am not a dev, which Desktop Environment do you use?
pkern: andres: If you try get yourself a tooltip, is the background plain yellow or does it have dark spots in it?
andres: Plain yellow
pkern: andres: Ok thanks \:
andres: Except the i dot ;-)
erudified: Hi! I'm trying to set 1440x900x32@60 in my bootloader (so I can have my native resolution on the console). Is this 'supported' - if I replace the VBE routines in grub with something like RHDCrtcsInit(), will linux just draw to it as if I set the res with VESA functions?
mjg59: You'd also need to modify Linux
erudified: wonders why that is
erudified: I guess the vesa drawing methods make assumptions based on the current mode eh
mjg59: Hm. Actually, it might be possible if you ensure that you pass the framebuffer start address and otherwise pretend that you've set a vesa mode
mjg59: But I think there'd still be some amount of hacking involved
erudified: ideally I'd like to just pass the vesa setMode function a pointer to a vesa_mode struct I created, but it takes an index to a structure to the vga bios =(
erudified: in the bios*
erudified: I can pass a pointer to a ModeInfoBlock struct though... I wonder if that'll actually work
erudified: mjg59, do you know if passing a CRTCInfoBlock to VESA setMode will allow setting arbitrary resolutions?
erudified: answer: no!
nognir: any Arch users here?
PinkFreud: 11:18 [Freenode] <*> schusselkopp invites you to #deutscher_chat
PinkFreud: schusselkopp: you mind not being an annoying ass?
PinkFreud: friggin spammer.
marcheu: PinkFreud: yup same
marcheu: schusselkopp: please stop that
Samuel: Is the radeonhd driver going to support crossfire?
Samuel: Will radeonhd replace fglrx on high end cards?
andres: Samuel: not that I have any real information or whatever, but considering the current status of radeonhd, this is so far off, that I dont believe that it can be answered right now.
PinkFreud: I'm sure that'll highly depend on how much information AMD releases.
yangman: Samuel: http://www.beyond3d.com/content/interviews/43/
Samuel: I'm glad that after abandoning Linux users ati is releasing documentation for an open source driver.
PinkFreud: Samuel: at the behest of their new parent company, of course. :)
Samuel: How long would it take before radeonhd gets some decent 3d performance?
PinkFreud: Samuel: again ,highly dependent on quite a few variables.
PinkFreud: Samuel: to my knowledge, AMD/ATI has yet to release any information on 3d functionality for these cards
yangman: it'll be a few months before 3D would be supported to a usable degree at all
marcheu: dudes, 3d work isn't started
marcheu: 3d docs aren't available yet for starters
Samuel: Only a few months?
marcheu: that links says "We expect to start providing information in the first quarter of 2008"
Samuel: What's more linux friendly out of intel cpus and amd cpus?
pkern: Uh, doesn't matter, really?
glisse: marcheu: i am starting 3d ;)
marcheu: glisse: you have docs ?
glisse: marcheu: not for r500 but i already know r300 and i hope than r500 3d can be build on the same base as r300
marcheu: what if you have to RE, say, the r500 shaders ?
marcheu: (totally random pick :))
glisse: marcheu: i will i already have dump to do so just not time
marcheu: is it not worth waiting for the q1 2008 docs ?
glisse: beside there it seems that there is the same capacity on r300 to upload fragprog as vertexprog
glisse: marcheu: i will push my modesetting/ttm code this week (right now i am finishing cleaning up and the cleaning up diff is more 8500lines :()
glisse: to sum up i rewritten at least 3 times this code :(
dli_: glisse, for radeonhd or radeon?
glisse: dli_: neither this modesetting into the kernel build from doc & radeon code, i plan to add avivo support based from radeonhd & avivo
marcheu: hehe avivo back in the game with 3d soon ? :)
glisse: marcheu: you will need kernel modesetting this is my secret evil plan to push people to ask for kernel modesetting :)
marcheu: oh so you're doing modesetting on avivo too ?
marcheu: the kernel modesetting work you're doing
glisse: not yet
marcheu: you're not being very clear :)
glisse: i am cleaning up so that adding avivo won't be painfull or look like a hack
glisse: in fact i think i will also able to support r600 too as most of my drm is replacable ie you can use modesetting code and not 3d code (cp, cmd check, ...)
glisse: marcheu: btw is there any talk on separating connector of output ?
glisse: in randr 1.3 or elsewhere
marcheu: I don't really follow randr
Samuel: What's avivo?
ordchar: a reverse engineerd r500 driver by glisse afaik
Samuel: What does afaik mean?
ordchar: as far as i know
kmacy: I've just installed the radeonhd driver built from the git repo, but it doesn't seem to recognize my firegl v3600 card - what steps should I take to troubleshoot?
kmacy: pilot error
Enverex: Hrm, it says that Radeon Mobility X1700 cards work but X wont even start with mine, is there some known issue with X1700's not starting?
yangman: Enverex: disable Xinerama if it isn't. if that doesn't work, try also disabling RandR
Enverex: IT doesn't seem to recognise the card, let me see if I still have the log
Enverex: Damn, can't find it and I can't afford to break my laptop again atm
beerockxs: i think i found a bug
beerockxs: whenever I go fullscreen in vlc with a video playing, my secondary screen gets shut off
PinkFreud: is it possible to have radeonhd drive two monitors if RandR is explicitly disabled?