udovdh: can I find a summary of some sorts somewhere of DVI or DVI-D related bugs?
egbert: udovdh: some might me in bugzilla if you look for the radeonhd component. other than that there is not really a summary.
udovdh: ok
udovdh: (just to know what might happen when I finally get that new lcd monitor)
krabador: hi people
apost: X.org driver for R5xx/R6xx
apost: Hey.Looking for mac os x leopard driver for 2600pro
rehabdoll: wrong channel
rehabdoll: this is a xorg driver
apost: Sorry.do you know perhaps the name og the channel I'm looking for?Thanx.
udovdh: question:
udovdh: say I want to run a dual screen desktop of 2560 by 1024 pixels
udovdh: as I now have on a Matrox G550 agp card
udovdh: but now on a 2600 pro card (rv630) from ATI
udovdh: would the *current* performance be OK to run stuff like audacity
udovdh: would the screen be quick enough to update the scrolling and changing stuff?
udovdh: imagine an audacity window of 1.5 screen of 1280*1024 (0.75 of the dual screen desktop)
libvde: udovdh: try and find out :)
udovdh: yes, but could cost me $$
libvde: well, rest assured that we will be working on 2D acceleration in the next weeks or so
libvde: so even if it is not decent enough now for your purposes, it will be before this quarter is out
udovdh: OK... so I can get the same hd2600pro as I have in this desktop box
udovdh: thanks for the info and update
udovdh: I can then also test dual monitor situations. :-]
libvde: hrm, why do you need another card for this btw
libvde: surely any discrete device, depending on the required outputs, will do?
libvde: your hd2600pro should be able to drive 2 monitors next to eachother alreadw
udovdh: yes, but this is a question for an other PC than this one here
udovdh: I'll upgrade that PC and there's no more AGP for the Matrox g550
udovdh: I just need dual monitors, silent card (no fan), decent price
udovdh: no need for 3D
udovdh: some mpeg accelleration would be nice to have, as it is for this pc
udovdh: so no big demands I guess
libvde: well, sndirsch received a single link pcie g550 in late november...
libvde: that is also an option, but i do doubt that you will be happy with the price of that one, let alone with the performance :)
libvde: it currently is probably better performing than our driver, as ours still lacks acceleration
libvde: but as said, this will change
udovdh: yes, OK, but is the pcie g550 cheaper than the 2600pro?
udovdh: would have to check that
libvde: i said this before "i do doubt that you will be happy with the price of that one"
udovdh: so it is expen$ive you mean
udovdh: quick google
udovdh: 120 euros
udovdh: versus sub 100 for the 2600
udovdh: ok, I will get the 2600
udovdh: as the agp g550 driver has issues: newer versions (than the one I use) crash in this dual setup
udovdh: one lcd on vga, one on dvi -> agp
udovdh: thanks again for this driver, the good communication possibilities and quick responses
udovdh: btw:
udovdh: is amd paying all cost or is novell also investing in the driver?
libvde: i would currently estimate that amd is paying for about 1/2 to 2/3rds of the mandays we put into this driver
udovdh: aha
udovdh: so there is some of the $300M+ that MS paid to Novell going to this driver? ;-)
udovdh: (I remarked about that on /.)
libvde: i wish :)
libvde: all of the X people are basically working way beyond the time they should be spending, and we're spending a lot of our time on user support which is not really covered by AMD
libvde: the X people at suse
udovdh: yes, that's the 'good work' for OSS
udovdh: the thing is of course how you will be compensated for that
libvde: and as for money, like in most companies, all departments have yearly which get pretty much fixed at the start of the budgetary year
udovdh: other than in a beer when you hit my town
udovdh: I work for my government so I know the budget thing...
libvde: if novell gets a big pile of cash, for selling things for which the initial press releases and the media shitstorm hurt sales in the first place
libvde: then that doesn't mean that the daughtercompany immediately sees the benefits filter all the way down to the developer teams
libvde: this is not how companies work sadly
udovdh: from the /. article about the MS payment there was some info about the way the money would be paid
udovdh: and it appeared that it would be paid later and spread over time
udovdh: just that the word about the `agreement` was out
udovdh: some said it was to keep the money 'out og the books' etc
udovdh: s/og/of/
libvde: i have no idea really
udovdh: whatever, it is good work anyway :-]
libvde: i don't most people from SUSE were even aware of the ms-novell deal before it became public
libvde: but this is all way before my time
libvde: what with being at suse for just 6 months now
libvde: well, the main reason for doing radeonhd is to get a solid and dependable X driver, unlike -
libvde: and maintainable
libvde: unlike other drivers ;)
libvde: something that works for as many people as possible with as many software configurations as possible
libvde: this is not something i adopted just now, i have applied the same logic to my unichrome driver for the four years i have actively developed it (i have no time for it now)
libvde: but this state of mind is of course very desirable when you are working for a linux distributor
udovdh: I think I can and must agree
libvde: well, it is really surprising how most people usually disagree with that
udovdh: for the financial type I can understand (s)he wants a better price
udovdh: because features cost $$$
udovdh: (?)
libvde: well, with respect to drivers, you want things to work to some extent, and only then can you start caring about more exotic features
udovdh: indeed: must haves, nice to haves... etc