robbat2: airlied, ok, my G5 is booted with the ATI card in it again
airlied: robbat2: try seeing if you can get -ati driver to see a BIOS, you might need to force the call to unposted stuff
robbat2: yup, just rebuilding to the latest bits
robbat2: airlied, http://rafb.net/p/OQttX044.html <--- Xorg.log from trying to start, incl unposted failing
robbat2: agd5f, you might be interested too seeing your convo in #radeonhd ^^
EruditeHermit: bugs.fd.o doesn't have updated security certs for firefox 3
agd5f: robbat2: I'm pretty sure the mac cards have a non-atom bios
robbat2: the PCI rom region reads back nothing at all, and there's nothing in OF like the nvidia cards have
robbat2: pci@0,f0000000/NVDA,Parent@0/NVDA,BMP <--- BIOS on nvidia cards with OpenFirmware
agd5f: robbat2: it may not have a bios at all
agd5f: does it light up at boot?
robbat2: yes
robbat2: it runs the framebuffer console perfectly
robbat2: both heads
robbat2: ATY,PrionaceParent@0/ATY,MRT <--- largest node in the OF on the ATI card, 288 bytes
agd5f: so that's probably it
robbat2: the AtomBIOS is that small?
agd5f: robbat2: like I said, I don't think it has an atombios
robbat2: what do you mean by "that's probably it" then, what is "it" in that context
agd5f: the ati rom or info at least
agd5f: did the card come with the computer?
robbat2: QlpoOTFBWSZTWcZcsS0AAAp9xf7Q8AAgABAIRABAeMEAyABAQEAAAAGgAJENNTUNA0AAaG1BIkKaGQaaNqaNpB475/grRQ0UnjlNbrocDhH2wQNJMYDsMeEKTLJjGDGZMUdNnJAtkwxaTaC0QGYwpJ8dJo1l2JK3AZOqPOl9wg9GEIUMrfUPtBOpcSQ6LpevpTdqIE6yUdMGREV4hX+LuSKcKEhjLliWgA==
robbat2: echo that to | base64 -d | bunzip2
robbat2: that's the contents of the MRT file
robbat2: nope, it shipped with an NV43, also OF, however the Nouveau guys have had zero success in two years getting the second CRTC to work, and they don't support Zaphod mode either
robbat2: http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonx1900/RadeonX1900G5/index.html <--- that's the card
robbat2: Apple did offer it as an upgrade option when you bought the G5
robbat2: but I bought it later instead
MrCooper: robbat2: it probably just has an OF ROM executed by OF, no x86 BIOS or ATOM BIOS
robbat2: and thus given the dependancy of both radeon and radeonhd on AtomBIOS, screws anybody out of using it?
agd5f: robbat2: apple doesn't expect you to use anything but macos
robbat2: IBM/Terrasoft however sells the same G5's preloaded with YellowDogLinux
robbat2: like I said before, i've been asking about this support for nearly a year (my first mails to the radeon and radeonhd lists were in November 2007), it's time I just gave up, sold the G5 and bought a new machine
robbat2: are there any similar crazy gotchas I should know about the HD2400XT cards ?
robbat2: before I buy them?
agd5f: robbat2: on PPC?
robbat2: on PC
agd5f: on x86 they should be fine
agd5f: no accel yet
robbat2: nobody else is making reasonably priced PPC boxes at the moment
robbat2: i don't game
robbat2: so lack of accel is not an issue
robbat2: just two large LCD displays, functional zaphod is my only hard requirement (ruling out radeonhd and nouveau)
gustaf1: agd5f: FYI, cursor corruption exists also with the generic allocator
Vitaliy93: guys i have a problem getting compiz to work on my open suse 10.3 with a radeon x1650 its a problem in my driver although its installed properly the driver is fglrx the last one
Vitaliy93: anyone can help?
Vitaliy93: please
rx__: try #ati
Vitaliy93: ok
Vitaliy93: thnx
Vitaliy93: guys can someone help me install the opensource driver for ati x1650 on suse 10.3 and another quastion if i install the driver do i need to uninstall my old fglx driver which i have problems with or i need to just install the opensource and it is gonna delete the old driver for me aoutomaticly
Vitaliy93: anybody here to help?
Vitaliy93: anybody here to help??
Vitaliy93: rx__: could u please help me?
gentoofu: you could install the opensource but fglrx would still remain
Vitaliy93: how do i uninstall it?
Vitaliy93: and can u please help me injstall the opensource driver cuz i am a newb
gentoofu: i dunno opensuse :/
Vitaliy93: what to do then?
Vitaliy93: linux is the most complicated os ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vitaliy93: and dont tell me no cuz u know its true
gentoofu: i disagree, but it's off topic
Vitaliy93: i was working on this since 10 pm
gentoofu: goes to google for opensuse results
Vitaliy93: my eyes are falling out of my skull and i am tired
otaylor: Vitaliy93: your computer will still be there tomorrow, things often make more sense with sleep :-)
gentoofu: Vitaliy93: using google helps too
gentoofu: Kmenu--->Computer--->Administrator Settings--->YAST
Vitaliy93: what makes u think i didnt use google?
Vitaliy93: yes
gentoofu: don't forget to edit your xorg.conf
Vitaliy93: thats the thing i dont know how it showed it in one forum but it crashed my comp after i did it i had to reinstall linux
Vitaliy93: 3 times
Vitaliy93: how come u dont no open suse if this is a freaking opensuse online support
Vitaliy93: i mean what is this?
Vitaliy93: i wish there were people who get paid to help that way i would get help easie
Vitaliy93: r
gentoofu: it's for opensource in general
adamk: Vitaliy93, What makes you think this is opensuse support?
adamk: Vitaliy93, And now you are being just as rude in this channel as you were in #compiz-fusion.
Vitaliy93: because on my deskto i clicked on online help
Vitaliy93: and joined the irc chat
Vitaliy93: i though only people from open suse can help me
gentoofu: you could try ubuntu if suse is giving you a headache
Vitaliy93: i did use unbantu but
Vitaliy93: after i installed thier driver it crashed my computer well i think it crashed x server
Vitaliy93: because the screen was black and i heard the sound of the startup
gentoofu: which driver?
Vitaliy93: i dont know what its called it came with ubuntu all i had to do is cvlick install driver
gentoofu: http://en.opensuse.org/ATI_Radeon_Xpress
gentoofu: that's the closest howto i could find. well, maybe there's more but i'm too lazy for that
gentoofu: what you should be concerned about is radeon, not fglrx
Vitaliy93: thnx man
gentoofu: that page is actually confusing coz he' was trying to switch back and forth between the two drivers...
gustaf1: I have serious issues with games changing resolution (smc, powermanga).. when going back, some windows get scrambled content, and sometimes X hangs. is it because I'm using a composite manager perhaps?
gentoofu: is it a similar bug to this one? http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17317
gentoofu: goes to class
gustaf1: gentoofu: yep
gustaf1: I reverted back to 4dff54 to see if cursor corruption would be gone, but since it isn't, I'll just go with latest and patch, thanks for the tip
osiris__: bridgman: hey. I'm trying to get DRI working on RS600. I tried REing it but no luck. could you dig out some info about few MC indexed regs for RS600 hardware? the regs I'm interested in are: 0x4, 0x112, 0x114, 0x12c, 0x13c, 0x14c
osiris__: brigdman: if you can't because of some IP problems maybe you could check my current patch and tell me what to change, without actually telling me why :) here's current patch: http://pastebin.com/d3f6ec3ad
agd5f: osiris__: We'll try and get you somethign soon
osiris__: agd5f: cool :)
agd5f: osiris__: what's the status of your patch?
agd5f: does the driver even come up?
osiris__: agd5f: unfortunately it soft locks the machine
agd5f: immediately or only with 3D?
agd5f: osiris__: there are actually two sets of MC regs on that chip 0x70/0x74 and 0x78/0x7c
osiris__: agd5f: during X startup screen stays black
agd5f: osiris__: I suspect you may need to program both sets
osiris__: agd5f: yeap, but accourding to traces mmp sent me, fglrx uses only 0x70 0x74
agd5f: osiris__: fglrx may not remap the framebuffer internally however
osiris__: remap?
agd5f: where in MC address space the framebuffer is mapped
osiris__: agd5f: hmm, look at the radeon_setup_rs600_mc func, in comment I've written the sequence that fglrx uses to initialize MC
osiris__: I can post mmio trace if it's worth anything
agd5f: osiris__: you might try setting the RS600_MC_FB_LOCATION at 0xa as well
agd5f: in the other set
osiris__: agd5f: oh, this could be important. I have patched radeon ddx to use 0x70 and 0x74 regs too, and as long as dri is disabled it works
agd5f: osiris__: can I see you ddx patch?
osiris__: agd5f: sure. here it is: http://pastebin.com/d1c5f2202
TobiasTheCommie: ok, a really stupid question, stuff like opengl 3 support, is that hardware dependant? could it in theory be implemented in an r100 driver(not that it would make any sense)
oga: TobiasTheCommie: a lot of it would be software.
oga: for one thing r100 doesn't do shaders iirc.
osiris__: TobiasTheCommie: IIRC opengl3 hardware requirements are similar to dx 10
TobiasTheCommie: oki
TobiasTheCommie: i was just wondering if it was worth it for me to wait for a card that had "gl3" on the package, or if i could buy cards now that would be compatible sometime in the future..
TobiasTheCommie: thanks for the information :)
agd5f: osiris__: send me your mmio trace. I think I can get your patch working, but I'm not sure when we'll be able to release the reg specs
osiris__: agd5f: whole trace, or only 0x70,0x74 read and writes?
agd5f: just the MC ones
bobbens: osiris__: i thought gl3 would work on r3xx or later cards
bobbens: but they could be missing some obscure extension in hardware
osiris__: agd5f: here's the trace for 128MB VRAM http://pastebin.com/d148409e8
osiris__: should I post one with 256MB VRAM?
otaylor: bobbens: gl2 is a stretch on a r3xx ... the shaders really aren't powerful enough.
agd5f: osiris__: sure
osiris__: agd5f: http://pastebin.com/d15053e95
agd5f: osiris__: thanks
osiris__: np
airlied: spstarr_work: oh try 287 kernel on the r300 again please.
spstarr_work: will try in 40 minutes when i get home
spstarr_work: airlied: good work on Nouveau too
spstarr_work: im using it now with RandR 1.2 dual head
spstarr_work: works out of the box with a small xorg.conf
airlied: spstarr_work: cool. I can't claim much credit for it anymore..
spstarr_work: well you helped
airlied: I just hacked crappy stuff until real people fixed it.
airlied: granted now I have to repackage it for rawhide.
spstarr_work: im glad im 100% off proprietary stuff on this box now
spstarr_work: vmware -> kvm
spstarr_work: nvidia blob -> nouveau
spstarr_work: 'hopefully fix r300 lvds'
spstarr_work: :)
shawn_work: goes home
shawn_work: will let you know on kms works on rv350 airlied ..
matsuura: yeah,so I have use xrandr commadns when I startx, mainly because for some reason, nothing works right in my config.. I have to at the mode 1680x1050, then span into a bigdesktop
matsuura: having to run these commands gets tiring
matsuura: anywho
matsuura: Im trying to get agilx to work
matsuura: but something fancy isnt enabled
matsuura: D:
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Well, let's go through the steps.
MostAwesomeDude: Are you going with Xserver 1.4 or 1.5?
matsuura: MostAwesomeDude: how to check? :o
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Nevermind, your problem appears different. #compiz-fusion, please. :3
matsuura: oh?
matsuura: Figured there may be something wrong, so ati is my source :p
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Okay. So, you said you've got Mesa 7.1?
MostAwesomeDude: How did you install it?
matsuura: I said nothing about mesa
matsuura: xD
matsuura: /mesa 7.0.3-3 [installed]
matsuura: yes
MostAwesomeDude: Okay.
MostAwesomeDude: And you're on an r3xx of some sorts, right?
matsuura: yeah
MostAwesomeDude: Alright.
matsuura: Radeon R300 NG [FireGL X1]
MostAwesomeDude: So, try "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo" and pastebin the output, please.
matsuura: please hold
matsuura: MostAwesomeDude: rain.angrycoder.org/~matsuura/atiInfo.txt
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: That was with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose?
matsuura: yes
MostAwesomeDude: Hm.
MostAwesomeDude: Let's see...
MostAwesomeDude: Which distro?
matsuura: Arch Lunix
MostAwesomeDude: Ah, yes, Lunix. :3
matsuura: well, that was a given, no?
MostAwesomeDude: You have DRM working?
matsuura: I think so
matsuura: howto(check)?
MostAwesomeDude: "dmesg | grep -i drm"
matsuura: works
airlied: or grep radeon might help more
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: That was my next one. :3
matsuura: funny thing is, I already stated that it works >_>
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: Okay, so I'm stumped on SW TCL fog coords. I thought my trivial patch would work, but it doesn't...
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Except it appears to not work?
matsuura: I dont know if it appears to not work D:
matsuura: though, something isnt working
MostAwesomeDude: Well, you should check your Xorg log, and I bet it will tell you that AIGLX isn't working because it couldn't load r300 or something similar.
matsuura: [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
matsuura: [drm] Initialized radeon 1.29.0 20080528 on minor 0
matsuura: [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory map
matsuura: [drm] Loading R300 Microcode
gentoofu: grep -i aiglx
matsuura: nothing
gentoofu: maybe you have aiglx turned off in your xorg.conf. though, i'm not sure if Xorg log should say something about it
matsuura: (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/r300_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/r300_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
matsuura: (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
MostAwesomeDude: There we go. :3
matsuura: i2c write: 0x8, 0x39
matsuura: (EE) RADEON(0): Unable to write to DVO Slave 112.
matsuura: i2c write: 0xa, 0xd0
matsuura: (EE) RADEON(0): Unable to write to DVO Slave 112.
matsuura: i2c write: 0xc, 0x89
matsuura: (EE) RADEON(0): Unable to write to DVO Slave 112.
matsuura: i2c write: 0x9, 0x20
matsuura: (EE) RADEON(0): Unable to write to DVO Slave 112.
matsuura: i2c write: 0xd, 0x90
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Um, stop, please.
matsuura: (EE) RADEON(0): Unable to write to DVO Slave 112.
matsuura: eeep.....
MostAwesomeDude: Don't flood.
matsuura: Did a long time ago...
matsuura: wasnt flooding
matsuura: :\
matsuura: but that did flood
matsuura: D:
MostAwesomeDude: Those first two lines are what I was hoping for.
matsuura: :D
MostAwesomeDude: So. You didn't build Mesa right. I wish I knew how to fix that in Arch.
airlied: you are missing mesa.
MostAwesomeDude: Do you guys have USE flags or whatnot?
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: with a Fedora DVD.
matsuura: no
matsuura: airlied: I have mesa...
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: That's like using the sledgehammer on a laptop. Sure, it'll work, but man, there was a screwdriver right there on the table!
matsuura: xD
matsuura: MostAwesomeDude: no use flags or anything
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: You have to build Mesa with DRI support. I'd suggest asking Arch guys how to do it.
matsuura: just install the package and go
airlied: mesa isn't building or install dri drivers.
MostAwesomeDude: Or...
airlied: or its putting them in t he wrong place
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: Could you look in /usr/lib/dri?
matsuura: [matsuura@dokudenpa ~]$ ls /usr/lib/dri
matsuura: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/dri: No such file or directory
MostAwesomeDude: Hm.
MostAwesomeDude: Well, if you have the time, I'd suggest you run updatedb and then "locate r300_dri.so".
MostAwesomeDude: Or just go poke Arch guys.
matsuura: there are a bunch of idiots who dont know what they are alking about there... D:
matsuura: one sec
matsuura: [matsuura@dokudenpa ~]$ locate r300_dri.so
matsuura: [matsuura@dokudenpa ~]$
matsuura: nothing... D:
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: You might have to updatedb first, if you haven't done it recently.
MostAwesomeDude: But more likely, you just don't have it.
matsuura: MostAwesomeDude: I did that already
matsuura: :p
gentoofu: slocate on arch
matsuura: locate works perfectly fine
gentoofu: oh
matsuura: infact, nothing returned even with slocate :p
gentoofu: you'd hafta go with the old find command then lol
matsuura: already have
matsuura: didnt find it
airlied: doesn't arch have a package manager.
gentoofu: pacman
airlied: or some such new age feature
matsuura: yes
airlied: surely it can tell you what files mesa installed
matsuura: hopefully...
matsuura: checks
gentoofu: just a progress bar on installations, unless it's the kernel lol
gentoofu: and if it has warnings
matsuura: gentoofu: doesnt matter..
matsuura: airlied: what would I be looking for?
MostAwesomeDude: matsuura: r300_dri.so
matsuura: in mesa?
matsuura: o_O
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah.
matsuura: yeah, thats not inthe contents
airlied: so the mesa is built wrong.
matsuura: suprise suprise
matsuura: these packages have been pissing me off very recently... D:
matsuura: anywho, perhaps I should compile
matsuura: looks for mesa 7.1
gentoofu: matsuura: is r300_dri.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/ ?
matsuura: no...
matsuura: thats what we were looking for :p
cxo: updatedb && locate r300_dri.so
gentoofu: lol, i know. just making sure
matsuura: cxo: did that a long time ago
gentoofu: was browsing through the forum
matsuura: :p
matsuura: do I need to compile mesalib or mesaglut, both?
matsuura: :o
MostAwesomeDude: Mesalib, probably.
gentoofu: matsuura: from AUR?
matsuura: gentoofu: no
matsuura: I tried the one in AUR, but nothing fancy
matsuura: worry not, im compiling stuff the way it should be compiled, then going to put it in AUR
matsuura: :\
matsuura: wonders how people fail to do this...
gentoofu: lol
matsuura: Mesa-7.1/src/mesa/drivers/dri/r300/Makefile
matsuura: :D
gentoofu: i haven't been keeping up on arch >.>; coz i have it on my desktop. but my desktop is so old and heats up the room way too fast
gentoofu: will touch it again in the winter lol
cxo: whats an r300?
matsuura: a video card..
cxo: yeah i got that part
gentoofu: is arch the only distro that has kde 4.1 in the official repo?
cxo: what was it sold as?
matsuura: 9600 or somethign
matsuura: idk
agd5f: cxo: 95/6/78/00
cxo: oh
cxo: isnt that like 340yrs old?
agd5f: and later as the x1050
matsuura: dude, this is sad, I can even get a simple question like, "how do I uninstall a certain version of a pacakge" in #archlinux
matsuura: >_<
cxo: how do you uninstall a package in archlinux?
matsuura: pacman -Rdd
matsuura: but im after uninstalling a certain version of the package
agd5f: cxo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
loswillios: there isn't really versioning management of packages in arch...
matsuura: oh really...
cxo: pacman?
matsuura: xtra/libdrm 2.3.0-1 [installed]
matsuura: Userspace interface to kernel DRM services
matsuura: aur/libdrm 2.3.1-1 [2.3.0-1 installed]
matsuura: Userspace interface to kernel DRM services
cxo: pacman -Rdd libdrm-2.3.0-1
cxo: like that?
matsuura: doesn work
matsuura: :\
cxo: what lame shit is archlinux anyways
cxo: thats like saying Bus Chip
cxo: or Controller Card
matsuura: cxo: and? Its just another distro dude..
matsuura: :\
cxo: sounds lame
matsuura: yeah, it is, now...
matsuura: it was awesome when the developers gave a damn about it
matsuura: but once it got all popular, it quickly turned into crap
gentoofu: matsuura: should be pacman -R libdrm
cxo: Radeon 8500 LE 2001 R200 150 AGP 4x 128 250 250 2:4:8:4 2000 8.00 DDR 128 8.1 1.32
matsuura: gentoofu: yeah, for which version now? :o
cxo: that was the best Radeon i've ever had
airlied: matsuura: what you mean is it was great when there was more developers than users :)
airlied: so they'd fix your bugs..
matsuura: airlied: no, not really...
gentoofu: oh, you have official and aur both installed..
airlied: all distros suck once the users increase...
matsuura: airlied: that is actually when it was lame and boring
matsuura: :p
matsuura: airlied: not slackware.. D:
airlied: all users want features, and bugfixes..
matsuura: if you know what yourre doing that is
matsuura: airlied: agreed
airlied: slackware did suck for ages.
matsuura: >:o ?
matsuura: how so? If anything, the kernel was crap
airlied: Patrick all but stopped working on it for a long time..
matsuura: otherwise, just reminded me of freebsd
airlied: when he was sick
matsuura: ah
cxo: R5xx is currently fully supported, is that right?
gentoofu: matsuura: why not uninstall the extra one since aur is newer?
matsuura: gentoofu: because it uninstalls the old one?
matsuura: o_o
matsuura: im just manually removing it all
matsuura: automagic sucks when everything is broken
cxo: breakage
cxo: try debian/ubuntu or something?
matsuura: cxo: hell no.. Id rather use opensolaris
matsuura: which is what I should be doing anyways
matsuura: :p
matsuura: but I let linux have its turn again
cxo: whats so wrong with that?
matsuura: anywho
matsuura: DRI drivers: i810 i915 i965 mach64 mga r128 r200 r300 radeon s3v savage sis tdfx trident unichrome ffb swrast
matsuura: :D
matsuura: debian/ubuntu is not as open as Id like
matsuura: makes me feel trapped
matsuura: goddamnit
cxo: open, like open source?
cxo: i think there is a clean version of ubuntu
matsuura: no, open as in, if you mess with anycode, you system doesnt break
matsuura: your*
cxo: i didnt know that
matsuura: one sec
cxo: i think its probably one of the best out there though
matsuura: yeah, I generally just dont like package management systems being the core of the os
matsuura: makes things not work
cxo: true
cxo: but you could just install the core system
cxo: and then base off it easily
matsuura: thats the greatness of slackware
matsuura: :p
matsuura: plus everything is similar to that of bsd
matsuura: :D
cxo: like you're not gonna build your own binutils or something
cxo: bsd is the bomb
matsuura: yeah, I would :p
matsuura: rain.angrycoder.org/~matsuura/makelog
cxo: is your source corrupted
cxo: wtf is â€
matsuura: asking the wrong person
matsuura: and this is the source from sourceforge
matsuura: soo
cxo: link me, i'll try
matsuura: link you what?
matsuura: ph
matsuura: oh **
matsuura: one sec
matsuura: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=3&use_mirror=osdn&filename=MesaLib-7.1.tar.bz2&77860954
cxo: hmm i'm missing expat-devel
cxo: its building...
cxo: and its building
cxo: and its building...
cxo: i think it works matsuura
matsuura: o_
matsuura: o_O **
matsuura: D:
matsuura: whats wrong with mines then?
matsuura: D:
cxo: www.rain.angrycoder.org/~matsuura/makelog
cxo: too lazy to copy and paste that into the browser so i just pasted it back in the channel with www.
cxo: i dont think i'm building GLU
matsuura: me either
cxo: no, you are
cxo: GLU: yes
cxo: time { make -j2 ; }
cxo: real 4m47.269s
cxo: user 6m6.882s
cxo: sys 0m46.431s
cxo: its done
matsuura: D:
matsuura: any idea on what may be wrong?
cxo: open XF86dri.c:618
gentoofu: i'm guessing you're on xorg-server-1.4.2
cxo: and visually inspect it
spstarr: airlied: ping
spstarr: test result fail
spstarr: airlied: two things
airlied: spstarr: dang..
airlied: spstarr: what kernel?
spstarr: airlied: 1) when using vga=0x318 i see garbled then it goes black.. hangs
spstarr: Linux segfault.sh0n.net 2.6.27-0.287.rc4.git7.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 28 08:07:45 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
spstarr: 2) when using w/o vga= it inits then goes black.. hangs
spstarr: text mode, is fine
airlied: spstarr: yeah no need for vga= stuff.
airlied: still it shouldn't be hanging.
matsuura: cxo: what do you want me to look for?
airlied: spstarr: I'm just redoing the code so it can be debugged post boot ..
spstarr: airlied: it w/o it you can see the LCD being reset by the driver, then black
spstarr: ok
spstarr: (the backlight)
cxo: matsuura, well just see if the compiler is lying or not
spstarr: then it turns on -> black
gentoofu: lol, i actually get the same error as matsuura when trying to emerge latest mesa git
gentoofu: http://pastebin.com/m3cd73b5e <-- more readable :D
spstarr: airlied: got a patch for me, or can you tell me how you apply your changes to the kernel? I can build a kernel on the quad core fast
airlied: spstarr: nothing yet.. its more when the rawhide builds finished I want to try loading the modules after boot.
airlied: thats busted in 287..
spstarr: oh
airlied: spstarr: are you booting with rhgb quiert
airlied: quiet on the command line?
spstarr: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 slub_debug=- pci=msi
spstarr: er
spstarr: wrong machine :-8)
spstarr: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 rhgb slub_debug=- printk.time=1 text
airlied: try adding rhgb quiet see if it helps.
airlied: remove text
spstarr: i tried w/o text thats when it inits backlight, goes black....hangs
airlied: spstarr: yup try with quiert though..
airlied: I think there is a bug in the transition from text mode that screws up if something is written to screen
spstarr: won't quiet just hide the kernel dmesg?
airlied: yes thats the point.
spstarr: ok i will try in a moment
airlied: its not like you can see anything :)
spstarr: (you'd be surprised after reading fast text what you can catch ;-)
spstarr: ok rebooting in a moment
spstarr: weeee
spstarr_desk: ok i got it to boot
spstarr_desk: ew
spstarr_desk: [ 263.611207] [drm:drm_buffer_object_validate] *ERROR* Failed moving buffer.
spstarr_desk: [ 263.611210] [drm:drm_buffer_object_validate] *ERROR* Out of aperture space or DRM memory quota.
spstarr_desk: if its trying to start X its having a nasty time
spstarr_desk: so:
airlied: spstarr_desk: okay but it got the fbcon working?
spstarr_desk: ro root=/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 slub_debug=- printk.time=1 quiet
spstarr_desk: it was black all the way though i guessed to type my encrypted disk password ;)
spstarr_desk: since i couldn't see the prompt
airlied: spstarr_desk: quiet rhgb
airlied: maybe better
spstarr_desk: order matters?
airlied: I dodn't see rhgb on the line above
spstarr_desk: i removed it
spstarr_desk: if i have it it wont boot
airlied: ordering doesn't matter.
airlied: anything in the dmesg earlioer?
airlied: about LVDS
spstarr_desk: EE) RADEON(0): [drm] Failed to initialize GART heap manager
spstarr_desk: adding fb map from e0e59000 for 5a4000 ret 0 2a209000
spstarr_desk: front handle is 1
spstarr_desk: looking
spstarr_desk: Xorg log above ^^
spstarr_desk: yes
airlied: nope not xorg log
airlied: dmesg..
spstarr_desk: its looping in dmesg
airlied: I need the early dmesg where it loads radeon
spstarr_desk: is that stored in dmesg buffer?
spstarr_desk: got it!
spstarr_desk: putting on web server..
spstarr_desk: http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/dmesg.radeon
spstarr_desk: can't find the EDID
spstarr_desk: but theres nothing on the VGA-1 port
spstarr_desk: oh LVDS-8 set mode 9
airlied: yup so no EDID then
airlied: so it finds the resolution..
airlied: 1400x1050
spstarr_desk: thats the LVDS resolution yes 1400x1050
airlied: so we must just fail to set it preoperly.
airlied: dang..
airlied: the out of aperture space error is a race with text mode I have to solve
spstarr_desk: oh niec the kernel shows recursive locking
spstarr_desk: nice
airlied: also have to fix that.
spstarr_desk: also, when i boot with text mode, when i rebooted laptop it hung with some artifacts on the display panel as X has terminated
spstarr_desk: some garbled all dark coloured
spstarr_desk: had to hold power button
spstarr_desk: going back to laptop...
spstarr: hope that info helps
airlied: spstarr: I might annoy you more later, maybe open a bug and stick a normal Xorg log file on it
airlied: so I can compare.
spstarr: no problem
spstarr: im gonna be up til 2am here anyway
spstarr: plus this weekend is a long weekend
spstarr: though besides X, shouldn't one see something on the screen on bootup?
spstarr: like the spinfinity thingy
rizzo: hey airlied
cxo: does a random git pull
cxo: dreams of r700 driver commits
MostAwesomeDude: dreams of r7xx cards
cxo: price is dropping man
cxo: i got my 4870 for $243.50 last week
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: It's already in the mail. Should get here tomorrow. :3
cxo: naaace
cxo: which one did you get?
MostAwesomeDude: Not sure. It's a gift.
cxo: from who?
MostAwesomeDude: Hi-mi-tsu-de-su!
MostAwesomeDude: (It's a secret!)
cxo: who's that?
gentoofu: himtsusan xD
rx__: eh
rx__: MostAwesomeDude; nihongo ga hanasemasuka
cxo: are you working on its driver?
MostAwesomeDude: rx__: Wakanai. I only know enough to converse with the Japanese club. :3
rx__: :)
gentoofu: lol
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: Yeah, once it gets here.
cxo: Isch parle un little japonese
MostAwesomeDude: Romanian?
cxo: MostAwesomeDude, are you getting data sheets too
cxo: Isch = German
MostAwesomeDude: Ah.
cxo: parle un = French
cxo: little = English
cxo: Japonese = My bad spelling
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: I'm not under NDA (for now), so no datasheets or docs.
MostAwesomeDude: But I'm going to start experimenting anyway.
cxo: what does it mean to be under an NDA if you are writing an Open Source driver
MostAwesomeDude: Well, it would mean that I could look at docs before they get released.
MostAwesomeDude: For example, the Suse guys are under NDA and have r6xx docs already.
cxo: but the code they write is open source
cxo: so its like everyone can see the docs
MostAwesomeDude: Right.
cxo: ?
MostAwesomeDude: But no.
cxo: cant make docs from code?
MostAwesomeDude: They can write, but can't release.
gentoofu: docs before published
cxo: oh
cxo: so they havent released their work?
MostAwesomeDude: So, for example, there's r6xx DRI working-ish, but unreleased.
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah.
cxo: i didnt know that
cxo: so when does it get pushed to git?
MostAwesomeDude: When docs are released. :3
orangey: hey all!
rx__: i think it depends on the conditions set in the NDA
orangey: hey all!
orangey: : )
orangey: oops. You got that already.
MostAwesomeDude: rx__: Yes, it does, but I'm describing the terms for the current NDA on r6xx docs.
MostAwesomeDude: orangey: Hey.
rx__: ah
MostAwesomeDude: Not that I've seen the NDA, of course.
orangey: anyhow, I'm looking to pick up an ATI card. are they well supported on linux with open source drivers now?
cxo: buhahaha
MostAwesomeDude: orangey: Yes-ish.
orangey: : )
cxo: another victim has flown into the spider's web
MostAwesomeDude: You're gonna want an X1950 or earlier.
orangey: MostAwesomeDude: I thought it was the new ones that were better..
orangey: i.e., more compatible.
MostAwesomeDude: And be aware that you'll need the new X/Mesa/DRM setup, which is sorta not in a lot of distros.
MostAwesomeDude: orangey: Oh, the code works great. I'm in compiz right now on my X1700. :3
airlied: with an NDA you get to write a driver and ask AMD for perms to release bits..
airlied: so the r600 drm code was written under NDA, but AMD let me push it out.
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: If I fail this last try at SW TCL stuff, could you take a quick look at the patch and LART me?
cxo: what about the r700 phoronix was talking about
cxo: doesnt like that michael dude, seems a bit fishy to me
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: I can look, remember it took me a year to find the last bug I looked for in swtcl :)
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: agd5f got DRI working, but he's not gonna release it (prolly) until docs come out.
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: Fair enough. If I vanish, it didn't work. :3
MostAwesomeDude: But he's an AMD employee, so he has the docs on his desk.
MostAwesomeDude: Or cubicle wall. Or whatever he lurks in.
MostAwesomeDude: Cave, hut, yurt, etc.
cxo: when you say dri works, in laymans terms does that mean you can play games on wine?
gentoofu: it's only a triangle
gentoofu: lol
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: Nope, it means he got progs/trivial/tri working, probably.
MostAwesomeDude: Needs a *lot* of work to go farther.
cxo: anal
airlied: not even that
airlied: just demo triangle..
rx__: MostAwesomeDude; pdf? ;)
cxo: i thought all this atombios stuff meant the driver would be 90% for all cards now
cxo: ^90% the same
airlied: cxo: for modesetting..
MostAwesomeDude: cxo: AtomBIOS doesn't apply to anything besides modesetting and power consumption.
cxo: thats lame
MostAwesomeDude: It's great for same-day support, though.
cxo: thats like a buzz word these days
cxo: so whats the state of the sanitation process for the r600/r700 docs?
MostAwesomeDude: Two weeks left, roughly, IIRC.
gentoofu: that was what was said last week, so perhaps a week left? lol
rx__: ask again in a week :)
terracon: does x1950 work with wine stuff , steam?
gentoofu: bets they're going to save it for XDS
MostAwesomeDude: terracon: I haven't tried my Steam, but it works with lots of Wine stuff.
cxo: funny how ati is not going to the XDS
terracon: I'm still on r300 and I'll be upgrading at some point. I just don't know to what
gentoofu: radeonhd should suffice
gentoofu: airlied needs to stay and work his butt off :D
z3ro: cxo: iirc bridgman is on vacation at the moment.
z3ro: although he might be back by now.
terracon: Intel seem the best open source supported cards right now but they're all integrated and slow for wine games
MostAwesomeDude: z3ro: I think he won't be back for a few more days.
z3ro: I see
MostAwesomeDude: Huh. I guess it works-ish.
cxo: needs more discs to expand his raid5
cxo: what works-ish?
z3ro: needs to actually manage to organise his filesystems.
z3ro: locate is becoming more useful by the day. :P
cxo: why arent the damn prices of 500gigers dropping, but 1Tb is dropping fast
z3ro: actually I need to get around to plugging in my other drives... or getting some hdd racks so I can fit them in.
cxo: i have a big case
cxo: i can fit about 9 drives, the board will take 8
z3ro: I wouldn't mind getting one of those cube style cases with lots of space for hdd's.
cxo: i have 4 in at the moment, with lvm+raid
z3ro: thats the thing that annoys me about tower cases. most of them only take a few hdd's, but like 5-8 cd drives.
cxo: most new tower cases are kinda universal, you can move the mounts around inside
z3ro: well the other thing I was thinking about was suspending some hdd's in the 5.25" bays. the silentpc guys do that a lot.
cxo: thats what i meant, they usually give you mounts
cxo: or if you have cash, you can buy a mount for $10
cxo: http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=RACK-KW-KF-72-BK
z3ro: hmm I'm not so keen on those because of the heat issue.
cxo: that has a fan built into it
z3ro: usually a little 40mm screamer fan...
cxo: "Single rear fan."
cxo: these are not scsi drives, they dont heat up that bad
z3ro: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-METAL-3-5IN-DRIVE-ADPT-BRACKET/dp/B0001UZQWG look pretty good. more open to the air.
z3ro: then just stick a 120mm fan on 5v nearby.
cxo: for 8.99, i'd rather get a proper hot swap rack like the one i showed you
z3ro: hmm I'd still worry about the heat (because I wouldn't run the 40mm fan)
z3ro: if you've got 6 drives or something, thats a lot of noise from those little fans.
cxo: have you ever been next to a 2U server?
cxo: its like a fuking jet taking off if the fans are on
z3ro: heh I can imagine.
z3ro: but my computers live in my bedroom, so I like them quiet-ish.
cxo: oh
cxo: WD has some "green" drives, you might want to check those out
cxo: low power consumption
z3ro: I wouldn't go as far as buying special hdd's... the standard seagate ones are pretty quiet.
airlied: hehe my Dell XPS machine makes lot of noise on power on, esp with an x1950 in it..
airlied: the again nothing makes as much noise as the G5.
z3ro: I thought the x1950's have those nice silent fans on them? pretty sure I've got one of those around somewhere.
airlied: z3ro: it powers up loud.
airlied: well its an x1900xtxt.
airlied: extra t there.
rx__: xtxt.. never heard of that one ;)
rx__: limited airlied edition
MostAwesomeDude: And here I thought that extra t was a Welsh thing. :3
z3ro: mine is an x1950 pro, so maybe it's a bit quieter.
z3ro: but iirc it does power up at full fan speed, then slow down after it's posted.
airlied: once the BIOS kicks in it quiets down
z3ro: cxo: hmm http://www.ascent.co.nz/productspecification.aspx?ItemID=343043 isn't too bad for mounting brackets (8 for $40NZD with quantity discount)
z3ro: which is about 28USD
cxo: i need the drives first
cxo: looking to get 3 more 500s
cxo: to move the raid5 to 6 drives, or switch over to raid6
z3ro: yeah I wouldn't mind some more 500's or 1TB's.
cxo: but i dont want to pay more than $50 per drive
cxo: 1Tb price is dropping quick, its at about $130 over here
cxo: but 500s are still at $70
z3ro: my 2 500 sata drives aren't plugged in at the moment (sitting in another case)
z3ro: although they have most of my media files. :(
z3ro: I might look at doing LVM sometime, so I can have everything in one place.
z3ro: lvm + raid is nice for redundancy, but you're loosing a lot of space then.
z3ro: normally I just burn important things to cd/dvd.
cxo: not much
cxo: just n-1 drives
cxo: at the moment i loose a lot because i only have 3 drives
cxo: so it becomes 2 after all that
cxo: i did the dvd thing for a while
cxo: even DVD-DLs
cxo: but now i cant trust that anymore either
z3ro: also you've got to remember to do it, which I've been a bit slack on lately.