mmp: osiris___away: Hello, sorry that I ran away on thursday; something happened to my ISP and then I had to leave... if you need any info, please tell me...
mmp: osiris___away: I just read your mail; in the afternoon i'll try to produce another trace
mmp: it is possible that I first loaded fglrx-hook and just then started trace
icewaterman: ever since i use 6.8.0 version of the driver my screen flickers when i start applications using xv or 3d acceleration (for some seconds) and then it is normal again
icewaterman: when starting a wine application it flickers 8 times
MostAwesomeDude: Hm.
icewaterman: i have to force a specific resolution for my monitor because it offers wrong edid values
icewaterman: at least since 6.8
icewaterman: before that it worked just fine.
icewaterman: i wonder whether the flickering is actually related to that
MostAwesomeDude: Hm. Dunno.
icewaterman: however that flickering is really annoying.
icewaterman: it is not related to forcing the resolutioni.
icewaterman: i disabled forcing it, now it uses the wrong resolution but still flickers
icewaterman: i have looked at the difference between xorg.0.log before and after application start
MostAwesomeDude: osiris__: Yo.
icewaterman: http://rafb.net/p/F86F0T30.html for some reason it seems to probe output modes again
icewaterman: for whatever reason
osiris__: MostAwesomeDude: hi
MostAwesomeDude: osiris__: Any progress on bicubic stuff, or have you not had time?
osiris__: MostAwesomeDude: unfortunately until monday I won't have time to look into it
icewaterman: can i disable the other dvi output somehow for the driver? as it is not used
MostAwesomeDude: osiris__: No rush, no worries.
agd5f: icewaterman: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 search for ignore
icewaterman: agd5f: hm, the second head is pretty much auto-detected
agd5f: icewaterman: the ingore option will ignore that output
icewaterman: agd5f: my point is, my card has 2x dvi out and i only use one yet the other is detected. since there is no section in xorg, where should i put the ignore?
icewaterman: agd5f: both are detected actually
agd5f: icewaterman: add monitor sections for each head and link them to the outputs. read the full page
agd5f: icewaterman: both are detected by default since you might want to use the second head at some other point while you are using the computer
icewaterman: hm, i disabled it with xrandr, yet the flickering remains
icewaterman: does dual-head work with radeon driver?
jcristau: yes
spstarr_home: hmmm
spstarr_home: GPU wedge
spstarr_home: Linux segfault.sh0n.net 2.6.27-0.244.rc2.git1.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 8 13:26:20 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
spstarr_home: i dont think it's kernel...
spstarr_home: something in DDX?
ninjaslim: hi guys, how do you compile radeon from git, is the 2600XT supported in the version from git, and can it compile on FreeBSD amd64
icewaterman: ninjaslim: in such a rare case (freebsd amd64) you will only know if it does on your box.
ninjaslim: icewaterman: i see, well it's worth a shot then
ninjaslim: can you build just portions of the tree from git or do yo have to build all of it
icewaterman: ninjaslim: there is a howto on building dri drivers
ninjaslim: icewaterman: http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/git
ninjaslim: that's what i have
ninjaslim: and it's all i could find
MostAwesomeDude: ninjaslim: git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati
MostAwesomeDude: The 2600XT *should* be supported, but no acceleration yet.
MostAwesomeDude: Also FBSD amd64 *should* work. If not, file a buggie, maybe submit a patch.
ninjaslim: no acceleration, i'm using radeonhd atm which has noa ccele either
ninjaslim: any idea when it might come
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah, actually.
MostAwesomeDude: Docs are 3-4 weeks away.
MostAwesomeDude: EXA and Xv should be (hopefully) within two or so weeks of that.
icewaterman: as for the dri driver building there is a separate howto on http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building
MostAwesomeDude: And then another two weeks for Mesa.
adamk: radeon works fine here on FreeBSD amd64 with an x1900, just as an FYI.
ninjaslim: adamk: i'm ninjatux from Daemonforums
adamk: ninjaslim, I thought you might be :-)
ninjaslim: adamk: i became interested in the git version after you mentioned that it worked with the x1900
adamk: ninjaslim, Yeah, Mesa supports r500 cards now, but not r600 (ie. your 2600).
MostAwesomeDude: ninjaslim: The cutoff for acceleration is currently the X1950 XT.
ninjaslim: ok, well maybe i'll wait until then, anyway to track changes
icewaterman: hopefully next ubuntu will support my onboard radeon x1250 out of the box at a decent speed (so it can run stuff like googleearth)
MostAwesomeDude: icewaterman: I'm pretty sure they've frozen packages for Intrepid.
MostAwesomeDude: Which is too bad. There's LOTS of new X about to be released.
ninjaslim: i do have an intel gma950 in this box but haven't figured out how to raise vram as the bios is crippled
icewaterman: MostAwesomeDude: dammit, once again stuck with the loud x850
adamk: ninjaslim, Simply setting the VideoRAM option in xorg.conf might do it.
icewaterman: ninjaslim: intel drivers are the best cards with open drivers yet
icewaterman: uhm intel cards
ninjaslim: adamK: really, i thought it might be but it seemed too easy i'll give it a shot
icewaterman: too bad you cannot buy them as pcie cards...
adamk: icewaterman, The fastest cards with open drivers are the r500 radeon cards :-)
ninjaslim: yeah
ninjaslim: adamk: on another note what's the memory footprint on your KDE 4
icewaterman: adamk: the cards are fast, the driver probably isnt :)
MostAwesomeDude: icewaterman: I dunno, my X1950 runs pretty damn well.
icewaterman: MostAwesomeDude: my x850 is pretty slow unfortunately
adamk: ninjaslim, Good question. I can't really check now since I'm in AMD64 building KDE4 (the screenshots were from the i386 installation on the same machine).
icewaterman: not the card itself but the driver doesnt really help it reach its potential
ninjaslim: adamk:oh i see, how long did it take to build?
adamk: ninjaslim, Overnight.
ninjaslim: adamk: seehsh, i use Xfce which i've been happy with for a while but am considering trying KDe 4.1 out, didn't have much with it on linux, it was too unstable there during dev phase, and 4.0.X was muhc the same
icewaterman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xserver-xorg-video-ati MostAwesomeDude
icewaterman: about 4 days old
icewaterman: uhm i meant 8
adamk: ninjaslim, Yeah, 4.1 seems to be much better.
ninjaslim: adamk: yeah it does but now the question becomes what to do with gtk apps, i have too many of them
adamk: ninjaslim, They still run just fine under KDE4 :-)
adamk: They don't even look particularly out of place, in my opinion.
ninjaslim: adamk: that's not what i meant, they don't integrate well
ninjaslim: in looks and usch
ninjaslim: oh really?
adamk: Well, to be fair, I wasn't in KDE4 very long to try, but I remember thinking that sylpheed didn't look like it didn't belong.
ninjaslim: adamk: what do you use as a primary dekstop, ar eyou just testing kde 4 or do you plan to use it long-term
adamk: ninjaslim, I mostly use xfce4 these days, though I do want to try KDE4 some more once it's done building here and at work.
ninjaslim: oh i see, i've done kde and compiz-fusion which seem to work pretty well
ninjaslim: but i don't use compiz anymore
adamk: Yes, compiz works quite well under KDE4.
ninjaslim: right but kde4 has built-int effects
ninjaslim: so why even use compiz?
adamk: Because the compiz effects are better :-) And there are more of them, with more options.
ninjaslim: right i'm not too much into eyecandy
ninjaslim: my mac takse care of that
adamk: ninjaslim, There are more compiz effects, and much more control over configurability.
adamk: ninjaslim, Probably due to compiz being around longer.
ninjaslim: yeah that's true although i'mt hinking that what kde uses has prolly been imported from m compiz and then heavily modified
adamk: ninjaslim, Seems likely, yes.
gimzo: Hi. I can't get TV out working. xrandr says "xrandr: cannot find output "TV-Out"" and xorg log says "(II) RADEON(0): Skipping TV-Out" (here is the complete log: http://pastebin.com/m6b8b4d2d ). I was googling but couldn't find anything. Thanks
LeastAwesomeDude: gimzo: What does "xrandr -q" say about outputs?
gimzo: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1600 x 1200
gimzo: VGA-0 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
gimzo: DVI-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 376mm x 301mm
gimzo: then it lists modes
LeastAwesomeDude: gimzo: So it doesn't list a TV out?
gimzo: nope
gimzo: xorg log does list it (and it also lists component video) but says "skipping"
LeastAwesomeDude: Hm.
jcristau: tv is disabled on atombios
LeastAwesomeDude: jcristau: For now, or for good?
jcristau: for now
gimzo: why?
LeastAwesomeDude: My guess? TV out is weird.
LeastAwesomeDude: Because TVs are weird.
jcristau: commit effa245914823371e052cd9aa1143a02350891e7 sort of has an explanation
gimzo: will vga-scart rgb adapter solve this (to rephrase the question: does the driver support TV resolutions on vga) ?
LeastAwesomeDude: Mm.
LeastAwesomeDude: jcristau: Seems fair. After all, TVs are hard to find in order to test stuff.
LeastAwesomeDude: I have no idea how I could possibly find a PAL TV over here.
jcristau: and i have no idea how i could find an ntsc one over here ;)
gimzo: don't most TVs nowadays support both?
rx__: pal secam ntsc?
rx__: looks like they're called "multisystem" TVs
icewaterman: LeastAwesomeDude: August 28th is the date for feature freeze for intrepid
gimzo: so, currently the easiest way to get the tv working is to install fglrx?
osiris__: mmp: does your onboard rs600 have dedicated vram?
icewaterman: osiris__: i have an rs690 but only with shared memory. however if such a card uses dual-channel, does the card make use of the 128bit memory bandwidth?
icewaterman: or is it always 64-bit
osiris__: icewaterman: I have no idea, maybe agd5f knows
mmp: osiris__: none I know about
mmp: osiris__: sorry delay, I was just away for a while
osiris__: mmp: no worry
mmp: but even BIOS reports only 256MB of shared RAM
mmp: osiris__: if you have any idea, I have no problems with editing kernel sources and trying it :)
osiris__: mmp: these new dumps are really promising
mmp: osiris__: btw, what was missing in the previous ones? I'm pretty sure I didn't change much, so it had to be the cold reboot then
osiris__: mmp: yeah, fglrx writes some regs only during first load after cold reboot
gades: hello
gades: I have a problem with the gimp with this driver
gades: when i drag over the canvas this leave a green trail http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gimperrorpc7.png
gades: I have a radeon 7000/VE
gades: other screenshot http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/bitwise/Screenshot1.png
gades: my problem is like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/156556
icewaterman: is it true that 3d and 2d acceleration on r5xx and r6xx will not work at the same time?
icewaterman: why is that?
spstarr: not implemented yet? :-)
icewaterman: ah ok, so in theory it will work
icewaterman: just needs implementing.
rx__: eh... that's for radeonhd
MostAwesomeDude: Hm, what's up?
rx__: 02:55PM
MostAwesomeDude: Ah, just read the logs.
rx__: and i believe there's no 2d engine for r6xx
MostAwesomeDude: icewaterman: That's radeonhd...radeon can do 2D accel, 3D accel at the same time.
icewaterman: MostAwesomeDude: thx
MostAwesomeDude: rx__: Technically, no. There's still command emulation, but odds are that we're going straight to EXA instead for r6xx+.
rx__: ah ok
icewaterman: lol, i just started 10 mp3's at once and it really sounds weired.
spstarr: PulseAudio crashed? :)
icewaterman: but the fact that my cheap onboard codec can play them back all at once makes me wonder what i need a separate soundcard for...
icewaterman: spstarr: no, it didnt
TobiasTheCommie: question: is anything other than randr considered obsolete?
TobiasTheCommie: ie, defining different screens in xorg through the old method
TobiasTheCommie: as in, dualhead
sgallinger: hi I think Im having issues with my radeon driver
sgallinger: my X is consuming up to 40% cpu
sgallinger: right now I have AccelMethod EXA in my xorg,
dmb: sgallinger, whats glxinfo say?
sgallinger: I dont even think I have radeon installed
sgallinger: should it say "driver" "ati" or "driver" "radeon" in xorg.conf ?
sgallinger: dmb: I was told that fglrx was not the right driver for my card and to use the radeon driver
sgallinger: but Im not sure of that its a ati 330m/340m/350m
dmb: do you know what chipset it is?
sgallinger: no, how can I find out ?
dmb: hmm, wow, thats an old card
sgallinger: is it,
dmb: i think
sgallinger: its in a sony vaio laptop
sgallinger: p4 3.2ghz
sgallinger: 64mb video memory
dmb: but yeh, just try using the radeon driver
sgallinger: so I have "driver" "ati"
dmb: change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
dmb: yeh, ati should work
dmb: does glxinfo say anything?
sgallinger: and I set "AcellMethod" "EXA"
dmb: does it say dri is enabled?
sgallinger: I dont have glxinfo
sgallinger: I just have to install mesa-utils
sgallinger: dmb: one sec
sgallinger: dmb: is dri direct rendering ?
sgallinger: if so it is on yes
sgallinger: I think this computer just needs more ram now
dmb: yeh, everything should be working fine
dmb: have to bbl right now