MostAwesomeDude: Hey, guys.
MostAwesomeDude: I hab a bit ob a code.
MostAwesomeDude: guzzles the Nyquil
MostAwesomeDude: But I can still type.
MostAwesomeDude: mikkoc, or whoever it was earlier with the silent glxinfo, it's been confirmed that it's a 64-bit DRM issue.
MostAwesomeDude: Probably memory clobbering.
MostAwesomeDude: The RHD guys are workin' on it.
MostAwesomeDude: Gah, forgot to save xorg.conf changes. Be right back.
spstarr: why is compiz faster than kwin composite
MostAwesomeDude: spstarr: More development, more interest, better code, more mature code, etc. are all possible reasons.
spstarr: but is it just optimization?
MostAwesomeDude: spstarr: I don't know.
MostAwesomeDude: Those are just guesses.
MostAwesomeDude: To make a solid statement, I would have to be familiar with both codebases.
eboettcher: short answer: kwin matches /^k/
spstarr: but it really shouldnt matter
MostAwesomeDude: eboettcher: XD!
spstarr: if everyone is using XComposite
MostAwesomeDude: spstarr: Composite is only a small slice of it.
spstarr: i really hope Gallium3D makes this moot
spstarr: we have such a mess :(
MostAwesomeDude: There's tons of GL stuff too.
eboettcher: wow.. I'm using an 80x50 console on this display (24"), laying in bed with a wireless keyboard...
eboettcher: I could read this from a mile away.
MostAwesomeDude: mikkoc: http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/2008-05/msg00173.html
MostAwesomeDude: People are workin' on it. It's apparently 64-bit only.
spstarr_home: May 24 01:26:47 segfault kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_idle] *ERROR* radeon_cp_idle called without lock held, held 0 owner f33fb150 f2aecb60
spstarr_home: May 24 01:26:47 segfault kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_reset] *ERROR* radeon_cp_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner f33fb150 f2aecb60
spstarr_home: May 24 01:26:47 segfault kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_start] *ERROR* radeon_cp_start called without lock held, held 0 owner f33fb150 f2aecb60
spstarr_home: i cant even use kwin now its causing a lock even more now
eboettcher: my brother said he was going to look at kde4
eboettcher: I don't know if it's worth the extra HDD needed to install it myself :P
spstarr: its very nice, but there's bugs in X that make it a less visual experience ;)
eboettcher: well I can't say that... I just lost an 80GiB partition in a crash, plenty of free space now
eboettcher: spstarr: my brother said kde4 shows not-so-computer literate people quite clearly how much more advanced of an enviornment a kde/linux setup is than say windows, but I have not seen any of this
eboettcher: he's 700 miles away :)
eboettcher: (freezing his ass off up in Houghton, MI)
spstarr: KDE 4.1 is much better
spstarr: still we have a lot of work to do
eboettcher: well the way he put it, it's plain as day -- stuff apparently just works
eboettcher: and looks good
eboettcher: I will say that kcachegrind has me wondering if there's any other really good tools like that in the stuff kde targets developers with
eboettcher: spstarr: I hear they have a big bulky IDE... is it any good?
spstarr: kdevelop is pretty good
eboettcher: I'm a fan of my favorite terminal emulator supporting tabs and text editors, but I think if I find a good ide I may use it since I estimate it would speed certain operations up
eboettcher: spstarr: can I modify the behavior of kdevelop very easily while using it?
spstarr: depends on what you need to do
telexicon: im on a radeon mobility m6, im not entirely sure if this is a graphics driver issue but, under certain conditions drawing and scrolling are really slow, for example with certain pages in firefox (such as gmail) and then resizing gtk+ apps
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: you can't use srcp for SGE/SLT
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: as you need to swizzle the inp0uts.
airlied: and srcp doesn't do that from what I can see.
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: Hmm.
MostAwesomeDude: Yeah, guess it's gotta be split up.
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: any ideas whats wring with depth write?
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: I fixed up the W output
MostAwesomeDude: No, no idea.
MostAwesomeDude: I especially don't understand how the shader is doin' it wrong.
MostAwesomeDude: It looks like it's translating the program correctly.
airlied: yeah once I fixed the depth writing bit a few mins ago :)
airlied: it could be going wrong somewhere else I suppose
airlied: I wonder does it work on r300.
airlied: need to set both laptops up side by side.
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: Fixed SLT/SGE, but they're still wrong.
MostAwesomeDude: Need sleep now; will fix in morning.
eboettcher: all of this time I've been wondering.. is Adam Jackson related to Andrew Jackson? :P
eboettcher: the name ajax just makes me think of the great president/war hero :P
MostAwesomeDude: Fixed SGE/SLT. Also some tex cleanup.
MostAwesomeDude: I'm off to work. See you guys later.
dennisb: xrandr on my X300 report 2 DVI ports are connected, yet my card only have one DVI-port on the card (and it's connected)
dennisb: now I turn of the false DVI-port at every start and then it all work, but I was thinking that I should report a bug somewhere
eboettcher: do you have a logfile and config file?
eboettcher: can you please post them on a site like rafb? :)
homeasvs: Hi. I'm trying to set up dualhead on my new Ati PRO 2400 HD card
dennisb: it used to work back when I used fedora 7. but with fedora 8 and 9 it give this extra DVI port
dennisb: will do
homeasvs: running f9
homeasvs: I seem to understand I need to configure it using xrandr
homeasvs: xrandr only shows DVI-0 and HDMI-0 outputs
homeasvs: the card has one VGA, one DVI and one HDMI output
homeasvs: and right now it's operating in clone mode, with DVI for first screen and VGA for second
homeasvs: any idea why it would not show the VGA output ?
homeasvs: and, actually, it shows the HDMI-0 as connected, weird
homeasvs: let's try and pretend that that is the VGA-0 one
homeasvs: (if I go away, my alias thomastp is here if you still feel like replying)
thomastp: ah, the wiki page said that this is the channel for it - ok
dennisb: eboettcher: http://rafb.net/p/UyLb3E13.html
dennisb: this is on a Fedora 8 installation, I've tried with a fedora 9 live image as well and it also connect 2 dvi ports dispite I only have one physical port
thomastp: eboettcher: so my card is supported by both drivers ? is that it ?
eboettcher: I thought the HD2400 was r6xx
eboettcher: dennisb: your card's bios reports the other connectors as existing :/
dennisb: yea, bios writers suck :-)
thomastp: eboettcher: yes, but the man page for radeon I have says it supports it. And it works fine, though in clone mode.
thomastp: and xrandr output is different than when using radeonfb, it now looks like - but neither detect my VGA output
eboettcher: thomastp: for 2D
dennisb: the card has 1 vga, 1 svhs and 1 dvi port even if bios say something else. I assume the bios info wasn't used back in fedora 7 (don't know what version of xorg that was)
eboettcher: well I don't know if the bios is reporting anything that tells us what ports are real and what are not there
dennisb: maybe I should just add a "xrandr --output DVI-1 --off" to some startup file and forget about it
dennisb: the log also say that it found my TV on both DVI-0 and DVI-1
eboettcher: it seems to be talking to the same display device in both, if you indeed only have that one
dennisb: there is only one dvi connector and only one tv connected. well, I'll find some bugzilla or bug mailinglist and report it
dennisb: maybe someone has some use for it
spstarr: airlied: any tripping of that bug? ive given up composite now, its getting worse :/
stefan2: MostAwesomeDude: ~250fps improvement in glxgear with latest mesa changes
MostAwesomeDude: stefan2: Yay?
MostAwesomeDude: Hmm, wonder why.
stefan2: MostAwesomeDude: Most definitely: yay :-)
stefan2: MostAwesomeDude: It was ~950 before and now it's running at ~1200fps
MostAwesomeDude: stefan2: Are you direct rendering?
stefan2: MostAwesomeDude: (II) AIGLX: enabled GLX_texture_from_pixmap with driver support
stefan2: (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so
stefan2: (II) GLX: Initialized DRI GL provider for screen 0
spstarr: hearts stefan2
spstarr: i suppose I should checkout r300 radeon git code and build with fedora .spec
spstarr: or is this in a branch and not tip/head
spstarr: or master
MostAwesomeDude: spstarr: r500-support branch
stefan2: spstarr: mesa-libGL-7.1-0.29.0.fc9.i386
spstarr: stefan2: hrm
spstarr: didnt notice then ;/
stefan2: spstarr: I just took the SRPM, clone mesa r500-support branch, git archive -> new mesa source to SRPM, changed gitdate in SPEC
spstarr: that mesa-libGL is in rawhide?
spstarr: or you just took the .spec from that
spstarr: and turned it into the rpm
stefan2: spstarr: mesa-libGL-7.1-0.29.fc9.i386
spstarr: easy then i will git and try newest mesa
stefan2: spstarr: Please not you need mesa/drm (libdrm) git master + radeon/drm kernel module from that source plus xf86-video-ati git master too
spstarr: ugh kernels are changing fast in Fedora
stefan2: spstarr: And I recompiled X server against new mesa-libGL*/libdrm-devel just to be sure
spstarr: feh forget that ;) i'll wait till it hits rawhide
stefan2: spstarr: The setup takes time, now I just recall from bash command line history every time airlied/MostAwesomeDude update the git's...
stefan2: spstarr: compiz is running fine now (not every plugin works correclty though) with drirc vblank_mode=0, but kwin4 composite still doesn't workt
stefan2: spstarr: Might be a problem with kwin4 though... maybe only tested with Intel :-)
spstarr: kwin4 is really awful for composite
spstarr: and i dont know why its so bad
spstarr: its not like i can take compiz's GL routines and use them in kwin4
StoneNewt: spstarr: can you not use a differnt window decorator instead of kwin4?
spstarr: sure i could
stefan2: StoneNewt: Well, compiz works with KDE4. kde4_window_decorator is much better than the old one
StoneNewt: well kde4 isn't in ports and cba to shoe horn it into FreeBSD so kde3 for me which I like the results of a lot
spstarr: ugh KDE3 is dead
stefan2: spstarr: But KDE4 is far away from ready-for-prime-time
spstarr: we're working on it
StoneNewt: spstarr: kde4 from what little I've seen isn't what one could call polished
stefan2: spstarr: I trust that you do. But f.ex. on my main working desktop I can't update to F9, because I depend on KDE
StoneNewt: kde3 suits me fine, it's stable & I work well with it, why change?
StoneNewt: stefan2: f.ex. ?
stefan2: StoneNewt: F9 has newer X server, newer mesa. Maybe even noveau finally supports my Quadro card (goodbye nvidia-drv)
StoneNewt: stefan2: f.ex.?
StoneNewt: F9?... Hu?
stefan2: StoneNewt: konsole: session doesn't save tabs, tabs text not saved, "new shell" button missing in tabs
stefan2: StoneNewt: session saving is not really working, except for "save last session automatically"
StoneNewt: stefan2: i have no idea what you're actually talking about
stefan2: StoneNewt: KDE4 in Fedora 9
StoneNewt: ahh! I'm a FreeBSD guy
stefan2: StoneNewt: well, GFX card driver, mesa, X, KDE, ... those problems will be the same on FreeBSD too
StoneNewt: right now the only graphics related problme I have is when i end an xorg session with aiglx enabled my graphics card 'crashes'
stefan2: StoneNewt: I finally gave up on the compiz & nvidia-drv combination on Fedora 8. Too many crashes or desktop-stuck-with-black-window problems.
StoneNewt: (Rad X800 XL)
stefan2: spstarr: So you're saying kwin4 composite does something else than compiz?
stefan2: spstarr: BTW: Is someone looking at the KDE4 systray? It's behaving irrationally. Sometimes all icons are drawn in one row, then when I restart the show up (correctly) in two rows. systray icons draw over each other or are blank/white (most probably compatibility problem with non-KDE-systray apps???)
spstarr: yes its bad
spstarr: stefan2: the systray spec in X is fscked
spstarr: needs to be redone
spstarr: totally out to lunch
spstarr: its just like MOTIF, it must die
otaylor: spstarr: why do you think so?
otaylor: spstarr: visual handling needs to be fixed, but that should be an easy enhancement
otaylor: (add _NET_SYSTEM_TRAY_VISUAL to the spec or something)
stefan2: ugghh late... gotta run. CU
airlied: otaylor: you learn to ignore spstarr's
spstarr: airlied: ask aseigo
airlied: spstarr: exactly, if aseigo said it must die in here, that would be fine.
airlied: spstarr: you are just parroting aseigo..
spstarr: airlied: well, hes not the only one complaining
spstarr: embedding windows for icons doesn't seem to be a good idea
otaylor: spstarr: it's pretty efficient with how X works. Well, anyways I'll probably be bringing up _NET_SYSTEM_TRAY_VISUAL on xdg-list in the next week or two
spstarr: if that helps great