agd5f: airlied: enabling the rest the pm_misc stuff seems to work ok as well rs600_pm_misc()
agd5f: voltage drop, dynamic sclk, changin pcie lanes, etc
agd5f: although that lowest state still has the funky lvds
Nightwulf|work: hi all
airlied: agd5f: btw got an nmi here jumping to 2.0
eichi: hello, someone has an idea, why in most games on my laptop are texture flickering problems. and on 2d games, much games have problems with flickering objects/backgrounds etc
eichi: vor example, in hedgewars (nice worms clone) the left hafe of game-area is invisible and flickers...unplayable
eichi: musst be a problem with the driver oder mesa or xorg
eichi: problem changes with the versions of this components
eichi: but they allways exist
KotH: eichi: i've similar probs with xscreensaver. some of the screen savers seem not to draw some areas of the screen, though it is not always the same area and it changes with each screen saver
KotH: eichi: but i've never seen it in any other prog (probably because i dont do games)
eichi: KotH: yeah, its only on 3d and other advanced graphical applications
eichi: maybe you an try openArena with highest texture configuration if you have some and internet connection ;)
eichi: *some time
eichi: there you will get a disco texture world, that will make you a crazzy mass murder after several minutes ;)
KotH: eichi: i could try, if i would be at home ;)
KotH: eichi: though, i'm not so keen on crazy mass murder today
eichi: KotH: then maybe, you have a boring life ;) just a joke. I really would be happy, if I can understand and maybe fix this problem ;)
eichi: i allready opend a bugreport about this
eichi: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=33245 there is a screenshot. and this is the report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26541
eichi: i thing, its a problem with adressing the graphical memory, but I really dont know
eichi: looks like a jumping crazy pointer with the textures
KotH: i'd drop a mail on the mailinglist too
KotH: just to make sure that the right people are aware of it :)
dileX: worth reading: "Adding evergreen support part 1" http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=52
dileX: mjg59 airlied agd5f: with todays d-r-t (3hrs ago) I get the following backtrace
airlied: dileX: thats a common issue
dileX: airlied: is there a fix available? or sth to test?
airlied: oh I think I see a possible issue
twnqx: is there a document like "git for people who don't want to understand, just use"?
airlied: dileX: have a patch in a second as soon as it compiles
airlied: dileX: http://fpaste.org/MwUW/raw/
dileX: twnqx: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user-manual.html
twnqx: that's what i meant with "use, not understand"
dileX: twnqx: also the radeon build howto has examples for git-in-daily-use
twnqx: i onyl want to know things like
twnqx: "why the hell can't i just git pull when i changed the
twnqx: like, i have a bare, untouched, old checkout of drm-radeon-testing
twnqx: git pull => merge errors
airlied: yeah drm-radeon-testing isn't a clean branch
airlied: you shouldn't use git pull anywhere near it
twnqx: that shouldn't matter to a usable source repo system
airlied: you are asking it to pull
airlied: its trying to pull
twnqx: well
airlied: don't do that
twnqx: what's the comamnd to update it then?
airlied: git fetch origin; git reset --hard origin/drm-radeon-testing
dileX: airlied: whats causing issues on your machine? here it was playing a flash-stream
airlied: dileX: I haven't seen it, but a few ppl reporte dit
twnqx: airlied: will the pm2 branch be in the origin repo as well?
airlied: you might need git fetch -f origin
airlied: twnqx: it should fetch all the branches I made up there
twnqx: HEAD is now at b94756a drm/radeon/kms: more pm fixes
twnqx: good
twnqx: that's the normal drm-radeon-testing now..
airlied: agd5f, mjg59 : just pushed a fix for the mutex issue I think, please verify and probably should merge back into original mutex commit
twnqx: hm. pm2 patches are ini normal d-r-t now?
twnqx: i thought it was an extra branch
dileX: airlied: wow - flickering desktop screen (horizontal line). seems like not syncing correct
dileX: twnqx: pm3 plus mjg59 fixes plus agd5f fixes on top
twnqx: dileX: you mean in d-r-t head?
twnqx: are the watermark/memory controller priorization patches in as well?
twnqx: ah, looks good
dileX: airlied: with your patch a lot of "[drm] GUI not idle!!!"
glisse: maybe adding the RBBM_STATUS value would be helpfull
glisse: to know what is not idle
airlied: dileX: yeah I don't think thats my patch's fault as much as reclocking breaking ;-)
dileX: airlied: I halted machine - waited 30s. started then - no flickering
dileX: there should be a yes_now_I_want_let_start_flickering(). hoped to get rid of this.
dileX: lets see what happens today
marvin24: where does the "You have old & broken userspace please consider updating mesa" msg come from?
marvin24: everything is up to date here
twnqx: 2.6.34-rc5-59869-g7a1ffce works until xchat :)
twnqx: (though i had some brief moments of fullscreen flickering after start)
airlied: twnqx: if you get an oops, there is a fix in d-r-t now
twnqx: i updated again after you said you commited that patch :)
marvin24: ok found it, kernel: r600_cs_track_check
twnqx: i just wonde rif me pm is active
glisse: marvin24: i might have still not pushed the fix to mesa
glisse: need to check my tree
airlied: marvin24: if you remove it please send a patch ;-)
glisse: airlied: please don't remove it from kernel
glisse: userspace is broken
airlied: glisse: yeah but nobody has fixed it, so the warning is stupid
glisse: airlied: i will fix it today
airlied: its also not really broken, since it works
marvin24: airlied: this may also be a little bit above my possibilities
marvin24: beside the trivial one
airlied: I'd rather drop the warning, unless userspace actually does bad things
glisse: airlied: well it does bad thing as the cs checker as to correct the cs
marvin24: airlied: no problems here
twnqx: hm, my /sys/devices/ is complete
twnqx: incomplete*, only has bus 0
airlied: glisse: yeah but we missed 2 mesa releases since adding warning, so I think we can drop it
airlied: its not like we can ever get rid of the cs check
twnqx: hm, where was the current radeon engine clockspeed readable again in sysfs? debugfs? procfs?
airlied: twnqx: debugfs
twnqx: thanks
twnqx: wow, memory clock changing works now, too?
twnqx: thanks guys!
TuomasT: Any hope of better OpenGL 2.0 support in timeframe of few months? I'd hate to go back to fglrx
TuomasT: Basically most of my GLSL shaders refuse to compile with xf86-video-radeon and mesa-git (mesa 7.9)
TuomasT: xf86-video-ati I mean
yoshi314: TuomasT: are you sure they are 100% correct?
yoshi314: i've been testing few games recently and some of them happened to have type mismatches in their shaders
yoshi314: i caught it only with mesa debug output
TuomasT: yoshi314: Well, they work with fglrx and in Windows
TuomasT: Also I get segfault at "glGenFramebuffers(1, &fbo);", that is generating a frame buffer doesn't seem to work
adamk_: There's always hope.
adamk_: THe r600g driver is being worked on (I assume that's the hardware in question).
adamk_: Hopefully it will be working in the next few months.
TuomasT: Radeon 3850. How did you guess?
adamk_: r300 doesn't have opengl 2 support without the gallium driver and, in that case, it advertises opengl 2.1. You specifically said 2.0.
TuomasT: Are these all implemented by the mesa package?
TuomasT: ie. OpenGL 2
adamk_: The r300g driver also appears to be quite good at GLSL shaders.
adamk_: Yes, opengl is the realm of Mesa.
MrCooper: TuomasT: is a GLX context current when glGenFramebuffers segfaults? If yes, got a backtrace?
TuomasT: MrCooper: Nothing useful with backtrace from gdb. Just that line of the code and then the next is ??. The OpenGL context is fine and there are no OpenGL errors. There is loads of OpenGL 2.0 stuff before that line, which does not crash
twnqx: hm
TuomasT: Also it didn't segfault with fglrx
twnqx: 300fps in glxgears seems less than i remembered...
twnqx: hah, lol
MrCooper: TuomasT: weird, does valgrind give any hints?
twnqx: it tries hard to switch engine/cpu clock up but fails :D
twnqx: engine/memory
twnqx: Apr 29 12:01:36 dnnote kernel: [ 2850.246075] [drm] Requested: e: 30000 m: 70000 p: 16 Apr 29 12:01:36 dnnote kernel: [ 2850.246464] [drm] GUI not idle!!! <- twice per second, fails to clock up
twnqx: Apr 29 12:02:53 dnnote kernel: [ 2927.016066] [drm] not in vbl for pm change 00000000 at entry Apr 29 12:02:53 dnnote kernel: [ 2927.016693] [drm] not in vbl for pm change 00000000 at exit
twnqx: also those, associated with a short blink in screen
TuomasT: MrCooper: Should I by the way make mesa bug reports about certain shaders failing to compile? (if the shaders are correct)
TuomasT: All I get with valgrind is "Jump to the invalid address stated on the next line"
TuomasT: Of course this is mesa 7.9 devel from git
MrCooper: TuomasT: does it work with glGenFramebuffersEXT?
MrCooper: TuomasT: feel free to file bugs about the GLSL compilation issues
TuomasT: MrCooper: Apparently, yes
MrCooper: TuomasT: the r600 driver doesn't seem to advertise GL_ARB_framebuffer_object, so that's an app bug
TuomasT: MrCooper: This is not part of OpenGL 2.0 ?
MrCooper: don't think so
TuomasT: Ok, my mistake then. This was very helpful however
MrCooper: you're welcome :)
TuomasT: drmRadeonCmdBuffer: -12. Kernel failed to parse or rejected command stream. See dmesg for more info.
TuomasT: [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation !
TuomasT: This is what the app says now
TuomasT: 2.6.33 vanilla kernel inbuilt radeon driver with kms
MrCooper: could be an r600 driver bug
TuomasT: MrCooper: You mean xf86-video-ati ?
MrCooper: no, the Mesa r600 driver
TuomasT: Right. Will restart X to try newer
TuomasT: Didn't help so now I wait for r600_dri.so to mature?
okias: MostAwesomeDude: Hi, can I give you some debug info related to glxgears segfault on RS690? I have gallium_trace, if you want it :-)
adamk_: I didn't think IGP GPUs were supported at all with r300g?
adamk_: Yet, anyway.
MrCooper: TuomasT: probably; btw it's loaded by libGL every time the app starts, no need to restart X
twnqx: airlied: still agd5f and mjg59 working on the pm side of things?
airlied: yup
twnqx: i have a few issues here ;)
twnqx: but at least not crashing.
dafox: airlied: hi, I have a question regarding your git-tree on kernel.org. Does it include recent kernel stuff? because I only see tags upto 2.6.29-rc3?
dafox: airlied: because I was tracing a freezing bug, and I think I've got it traced to between 2.6.34-rc3 and 2.6.34-r4 and I was thinking of using your tree for a git-bisect, but I couldn' t find those revisions there?
airlied: dafox: its in a branch
dafox: I'm on drm-next
airlied: git checkout -b drm-next origin/drm-next
airlied: if you are on 2.6.29-rc3 you aren't on drm-next
airlied: oh maybe I don't pull tags
airlied: lemee see
airlied: dafox: okay try a fetch now I just pulled tags from Linus
edwin: airlied: I have 2.6.34-rc5-00118-gf259493
edwin: so I guess your tags were there (but I also had Linus's tree as a remote)
airlied: edwin: yeah you get them from Linus
dafox: airlied: sorry, I don't think I see them yet?
twnqx: 2.6.34-rc5-59869-g7a1ffce
twnqx: \o/
edwin: that commit is v2.6.34-rc5-148-g7a1ffce here
Tommeh: Days are merging into weeks .. When are we expecting -rc6 again?
airlied: dafox: takes 5-10 mins to mirror out
dafox: that is a valid tag it seems (I can check it out) but it is not listed with git tag
dafox: airlied: ok, I'll try again in a little while
twnqx: can i dynamically turn off pm and lock the gpu at slowest speed?
Tommeh: Ah, probably the 3rd/4th
adamk_: Dr_Jakob: Did you commit those changes that fix vmware?
Dr_Jakob: adamk_: ah no
dafox: airlied: I just tried again but I'm still not seeing them
anv: I don't remember who tried yesterday to support my KMs problem with latest Arch Linux kernel, but it were actually one module from source "radeon-initrd" + messing up with mkinitcpio which made it not work, but after configuring correctly KMS works
Lykos: Hi, is there a possibility to enable subpixel rendering/ antialiasing / oversampling?
glisse: Lykos: no we don't support this in open source yet
eichi: hello again, I have a strange behaviour, with compiz activated, i get a strange noice, if the cursur blinks (on messanger or firefox html input) same on scrolling in for example firefox
mjg59: agd5f: Hm. Ok, if we lose the gui idle then we probably need to take a different approach
mjg59: agd5f: We can insert a fence and then sleep on that, but the fence code currently tries to take the cp mutex when it's testing for GUI hang
mjg59: GPU hang, rather
twnqx: mjg59: hi
twnqx: regarding the GUI idle thing - with the current code when i start glxgears the cpu won't clock up because of "GUI not idle!!!"
twnqx: ~5h old d-r-t kernel
twnqx: gpu*
twnqx: also, i have lots of "not in vbl for pm change 00000000 at [entry|exit]"
mjg59: twnqx: Yes, the gui idle issue is expected
twnqx: but memory reclocking doesn't hang the machine any more
twnqx: which is a step forward :)
mjg59: Because we're not waiting for the cp to clear
mjg59: I'm looking at rv515 at the moment, then I'll get onto the gui idle stuff
twnqx: oki
twnqx: i supose the screen flashes i see are related to the "not in vbl" messages?
mjg59: Yup
glisse: i wonder how windows handle dual screen
SmUlTr^: Hi. My name is Ray. My card is a radeon 3870 HD. I recently installed vista, now i need to install new drivers. Any advice where to download these is appriatet
Tommeh: SmUlTr^: you're in the wrong room, see /topic
glisse: SmUlTr^: we are not exactly dealing with windows world
twnqx: mjg59: is there a way to lock the gpu at lowest speed?
mjg59: twnqx: Yeah, if you write the corresponding value into the power-state sysfs node it'll set that and disable dynpm
twnqx: where in sysfs? :X
twnqx: (i hope not in /sys/devices.... this kernel for whatever reason only show the devices from bus 0 there)
mjg59: find /sys -name power_state :p
dileX: hehe
dileX: cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/power_state
dileX: cat /sys/class/drm/card0/device/dynpm
twnqx: /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0/power_state is the only file with that name i have
mjg59: Yeah, that's the actual location - it's symlinked in from /sys/class/drm
mjg59: That's the right one, anyway
twnqx: that only has 1.0?
mjg59: Yeah, you just write the corresponding state in there
mjg59: Like 2.1 or whatever
twnqx: ah. the one i get from the module during boot?
mjg59: Right
dileX: eichi: weather is so nice - what about neckarmueller?
twnqx: yey
twnqx: for some reason my screen just started flashing all over :P
eichi: dileX: where are you?
dileX: eichi: near to you
twnqx: mjg59: thanks alot, works
eichi: dileX: how much meters....centimiters?
eichi: -o+e
smultring: When i install catalyst driver the card is still not reconized
adamk_: smultring: You're still on vista windows? THen you're still asking in the wrong place :-)
smultring: y
smultring: ok.
smultring: hm
adamk_: This channel is for the open source radeon driver for Xorg.
adamk_: It has nothing to do with windows.
smultring: alright
Tommeh: smultring: you should read the channel topics in any new channel. :)
glisse: i wonder how one can find #radeon while looking for windows ...
KotH: glisse: actually, that's quite easy...i'd rather ask why people ask windows media player questions on the mplayer-users mailinglist....
intgr: KotH: Because it's "mplayer.exe" isn't it?
KotH: intgr: well.. yes... but who sees the exe name these days?
agd5f: mjg59: yeah, that patch was more for testing than anything. seems to work ok on r6xx+, so we probably just need it for older chips
mjg59: agd5f: I think a fence is probably the easiest way to do it
mjg59: We just want to disable the lockup check
agd5f: yeah
agd5f: also we should probaly split sclk and mclk to make sure we can do it all in vbl
mjg59: agd5f: rv515 sleeps for 2msec, so isn't going to fit
mjg59: I'm writing my own implementation
mjg59: Just trying to work out where this one last register value comes from
agd5f: gotta be care the mem timings are different system to system
mjg59: Yeah, I'm tracing the atom code
mjg59: I've got something that I think is presumably the memory timing, but it's not clear where it comes from
mjg59: It's in WS_QUOTIENT, but I honestly can't work out how it got there...
mjg59: Maybe gdb will fix my confusion
agd5f: might be a command table data section
agd5f: mjg59: grab the latest AtomDis
mjg59: Oh, it comes from a multiply, not a divide. Stupid of me.
mjg59: Ok, I think I need to do this by calling a table
mjg59: There's a hardcoded value there
mjg59: Hm. Almost, but not quite.
agd5f: DynamicMemorySettings is full of golden values
agd5f: airlied: that patch fixed the oops
twnqx: hm
twnqx: i said earlier i'm happy with current d-r-t git head... but i was wrong :X
twnqx: resume after suspend to ram fails
agd5f: airlied: the nmi seems to be caused by changing the pcie lanes.
mjg59: agd5f: Makes sense
agd5f: yeah
vadi: No support for ATI temperature sensors yet? ATI manufacturer not listed at http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices
agd5f: vadi: for chips that use external i2c chips support is in d-r-t
twnqx: any ideas what could have broken suspend/resume? :X
twnqx: hm, i could start a git bisect..
agd5f: vadi: the on-chip stuff for newer asics is in the pipeline
vadi: thanks agd5f
vadi: I am not sure if my "ATI Technologies Inc RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650]" use external i2c chips or not
twnqx: no
vadi: ack. So its support it is in the pipeline
mjg59: Ergh.
mjg59: Ok, rv515 seems to work now.
dileX: mjg59: yay!
mjg59: dileX: www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/radeon_pm/0011-radeon-Reclock-r500-memory-by-hand.patch
mjg59: dileX: But I suspect the gui interrupt stuff will still make things difficult
dileX: mjg59: you had this patch all the time and didnt publish :-)?
mjg59: The 520 code is ancient
mjg59: I just merged in 515
mjg59: Huh. It's now breaking again.
dileX: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:12:53 -0400
mjg59: Right, git commit --amend keeps the old date
twnqx: hm
twnqx: i don't want to go inside
twnqx: but without power supply my cpu is locked at 800mhz... not good for git bisectin :X
mjg59: continues to be concerned by one set of register contents
twnqx: hm
twnqx: why would 2.6.33-00202-g2b49750 be between config-2.6.33-50670-ga5bc010-dirty and config-2.6.34-rc5-59868-gb94756a in a git bisect...
twnqx: err
twnqx: without config, but anyway
mjg59: dileX_: Hm. Actually, looks like there's still some problems there
mjg59: twisted`: Because merges
dileX: mjg59: with e17 and r300g dri/st radeon kms + dynpm enabled X freezes on startup
dileX: maybe 64M VRAM is too less?
dileX: looks into logs
mjg59: dileX: There's still something wrong here
mjg59: ram quantity shouldn't matter
twnqx: cries
twnqx: i can't even bisect this...
twnqx: first kernel i tried crashed the GPU on module load, second failed to even suspend with all kings of processes hanging, modules unable to unload, and lockdep errors all over the place
twnqx: is there a way to get only the radeon patches bisected?
mjg59: Sigh. I seem to be writing identical registers, but it's still giving corruption
mjg59: twisted`: git bisect drivers/gpu/drm/radeon
twnqx: ty
agd5f: twnqx: you might want to re-apply 7a1ffce50373c177d3f6eecce52badc40c90e1dd on top of your bisects to avoid the potential oops in the bo code
agd5f: mjg59: those delays may be important ;)
twnqx: yeah... guess that one bit me with the first try
agd5f: mjg59: on those older chips, we only did static reclocking not dynamic as far as I know
twnqx: so umm
twnqx: any ideas why th ebuild numbers changed?
twnqx: vmlinuz-2.6.33-00202-g2b49750 <- i'm sure that should have been somewhere in the 50k range
twnqx: not 202
mjg59: agd5f: Yeah, plausibly
dileX_: mjg59: syslog (drm-debug) http://nopaste.snit.ch/20408
mjg59: dileX_: What am I looking at?
dileX_: mjg59: hoped you see an anomaly
yoshi314: hi there, is anybody using gallium r300 here?
yoshi314: i've started having a weird texture problem with two games since yesterday
yoshi314: textures are replaced with dithered ... something
yoshi314: in ta3d and warzone2100
yoshi314: it's strange that darkplaces and doom3 are unaffected
agd5f: mjg59, airlied: http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/pm-drt/
mjg59: agd5f: Looks good
evil_core: agd5f: r500 fixed finally?
agd5f: evil_core: the lowest power state still causes a funky display, but the other modes work fine
evil_core: no,no, no, HANG!
evil_core: fuzy dispolay wouldnt be such a big problem to me ;)
evil_core: Zajec patches didnt caused hangs, only fuzyy display
agd5f: mjg59: we have locking bugs in the unload path: http://pastebin.com/vPbqDTsJ
mjg59: agd5f: Oh, that's fun
mjg59: Easiest thing would be to remove the locking from radeon_ring_fini
mjg59: But that's going to result in fun further up the stack, I suspect
twnqx: so
twnqx: if i encounter a kernel that crashes before even mounting filesystems
twnqx: while i try to troubleshoot something completeley different
twnqx: would i guess good or bad? :X
twnqx: also, does drm-radeon-testing contain stuff for agp bridges?
twnqx`: what's the difference between suspending with X running and without?
twnqx`: the kernel i have now suspends without X, but now with... it's stuck after/during console shutdown
DanaG: cool: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23447#post124589
otaylor: airlied: in radeon_fbo.c:radeon_update_wrapper, both the current code and the XXX suggestion to remove setting texImage->TexFormat are on crack, right?
otaylor: We can't just pretend the texture is in some other format just because we can't render to the current format
otaylor: (I guess this is the TODO above the function)
airlied: otaylor: that code is different in master
otaylor: looks
airlied: "b70dcabafce0c1a8a9fbbd84ff196e46b0782ca7"
otaylor: airlied: Of course, that's not going to actually help my problem
airlied: no you'll just get the incomplete status now
otaylor: airlied: well, actually it might, since I'm not rendering to the frame buffer, I'm reading from it, though I'm not sure if things are that finegrained
otaylor: airlied:in theory glCopyTextSubImage doesn't care that the framebuffer isn't renderable, but well, it won't work anywways
otaylor: since the code assumes that it is in the standard render formats
otaylor: I can just fix cogl to use the "correct" texture format here I think
mjg59: Huh.
mjg59: It just worked. Let me see if that's repeatable.
mjg59: Turns out that I may have needed to be a little more careful with MPLL_FUNC_CNTL than I was being
mjg59: ...which probably means that the r520 code is also broken, but I'll get to that
twnqx: i give on bisecting this
twnqx: +up
mjg59: Sigh. Of course it's not repeatable.
twnqx: i have one working kernel with no pm, and the current gut head suspends, but on resume has total screen corruption (in X only, not in console)
mjg59: Maybe r500 gets stuck without memory reclocking
twnqx: all kernels in between get stuck on suspend or outright crash while booting
twnqx: sometimes the bo fix make them suspend successfully, but for those where it did something screen corruption is there
twnqx: no way to pinpoint the patch that's causing it
mjg59: Ok. Back to this tomorrow.
airlied: mjg59: is the r5xx patch okat for d-r-t?
mjg59: airlied: Not yet
mjg59: airlied: I may have the 515 code stabalised now - it just booted there times in a row without giving me a corrupt mode
mjg59: But I think this probably means that the 520 code is broken
agd5f: twnqx: you might be seeing this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27822
twnqx: hm
twnqx: sadly he doesn't describe "fails to resume"
twnqx: my machine resumes all alive, just screen is corrupted
twnqx: ACPI event based reboot works fine, so it's actually still running
twnqx: also, no [TTM] Buffer eviction failed messages
eichi: a friend of mine asks, why there are so many goto's in the sourcecode. is it faster or just peopl to lazy to code something better?
airlied: neither
airlied: its better coding style in most place
MostAwesomeDude: Wait, which codebase?
MostAwesomeDude: It's common in the kernel because resources are so precious that you have to be very precise with putting things back where you got them.
MostAwesomeDude: I think the only gotos I put in Mesa are where they made the algorithm cleaner.
airlied: goto's aren't special use case in the kernel, its just normal error path behaviour for anyone who learned C properly instead of listened to CS lecturers
imagine7xy: hello
imagine7xy: Would somebody please help me with my ATI drivers for ubuntu?
imagine7xy: Is anyone here??
imagine7xy: :(
eichi: imagine7xy: aks question please
eichi: *ask
imagine7xy: eichi: thank god
imagine7xy: I have been trying to get my HD 3450 AGP working for 6 hours
imagine7xy: Currently, I am at the stage of trying to uninstall the proprietary ATI drivers
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/YJj1rfD5
imagine7xy: I get this error message when I try to install from /usr/share/ati/
imagine7xy: uninstall***
spstarr: ok
spstarr: it's time to build git master everything...
spstarr: -ENOTIME
eichi: imagine7xy: did you use a external installing script or something?
imagine7xy: eichi: I used the drivers from ATIs website
MostAwesomeDude: airlied: To be fair, if you're in libc-land, your error path behavior is printf("Couldn't allocate memory!\n"); exit(1);
eichi: yeah, that was very wrong
imagine7xy: eichi: Yes, someone told me to do it, in #ubuntu
eichi: the idea of linux is to install packages with package manager
eichi: otherwise you will destroy your system
MostAwesomeDude: Heh, #ubuntu.
airlied: MostAwesomeDude: you can always allocate memory, overcommit ftw
imagine7xy: eichi: Is there anyway to fix this? http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo#RemovingAMD.2BAC8-ATIcatalyst.2BAC8-fglrx.28closedsourcedriver.29
eichi: imagine7xy: now you have some trash files somewhere and no one knows where and why
imagine7xy: There is an article here
imagine7xy: I just am not advanced enough to follow the wiki article
eichi: sorry, dont know
imagine7xy: eichi: they are in /usr/share/ati/ right?
imagine7xy: thats where the .sh uninstaller is
eichi: i can only say: is was a big misstage to trust ati in making an external installation script
imagine7xy: omg
imagine7xy: This can't be the end though can it?
imagine7xy: I have to reinstall everything because I used some external uninstall script??
eichi: not the end, but you see what happend
imagine7xy: Well, what do I do?
imagine7xy: What would you do?
imagine7xy: I'm a complete linux newb
imagine7xy: I'm a windows veteran
eichi: install the ubuntu package off your driver
imagine7xy: eichi: Install the ubuntu package off my driver? What does this mean?
imagine7xy: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.723.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
imagine7xy: When I try to install fglrx from apt-get
imagine7xy: I get this message
Wizzup: imagine7xy: #ati for fglrx
imagine7xy: Noone is there :(
eichi: imagine7xy: go to #ubuntu
imagine7xy: all afk
eichi: its not a free radeon driver problem
imagine7xy: eichi: I am there, noone can help me
imagine7xy: eichi: This is stupid, on windows, I can easily uninstall anything
eichi: use texteditor and open the ati script file
imagine7xy: eichi: on linux, you guys cant even help me uninstall something???
imagine7xy: How is that powerful??
eichi: study the code, what it did
eichi: and try to remove all thing manually
Wizzup: imagine7xy: Troll somewhere else. The packagemanager does it all. If you installed outside it, your problem
Wizzup: We can help, but not with this attitude... /away
eichi: imagine7xy: you have to use package manager not a script that make some copy, no one knows
imagine7xy: Wizzup: Look, I am sorry but I'm frustrated , 7 hours on this so far straight
imagine7xy: Wizzup: And noone seems to know how to do this
imagine7xy: Wizzup: Uninstall a driver
Wizzup: We'll talk about it in #ubuntu
eichi: imagine7xy: you used linux in a very wrong way
eichi: dont drive a car against wall and then ask people, why they dont help you to fix this
imagine7xy: eichi: So I should never install something if it is not in the apt-get ?
eichi: imagine7xy: thats it
imagine7xy: When is it safe to install something?
eichi: apt-get is the way to install something
eichi: there is a menu system -> restricted drivers in ubuntu
eichi: which installs you all you need
eichi: In Ubuntu 9.10, this is found under System->Administration->Hardware Drivers.
imagine7xy: eichi
imagine7xy: But this doesn't let me specify the driver right?
imagine7xy: It chooses for me?
eichi: you can choose some i think
imagine7xy: but it only gives me one option in Hardware Drivers
imagine7xy: Activate
imagine7xy: Thats it
imagine7xy: nada anything else
imagine7xy: I did that
imagine7xy: and the driver didnt work good
imagine7xy: Thats why i installed this one
imagine7xy: and then i found out something even better
eichi: yeah, not my problem, sorry
imagine7xy: but now i cant install this
imagine7xy: eichi, So you would NEVER install anything without package manager?
imagine7xy: What if I want to do a custom Apache install and choose the folder with package manager?
imagine7xy: How do you do that?
eichi: yes, i do this for 7 years now, 5 differenc distributions
DanaG: imagine7xy: that's different.
DanaG: Even the official fglrx installer has an option to BUILD PACKAGES.
imagine7xy: im really a newb at this
imagine7xy: i dont know what build package is
imagine7xy: no one ever told me that
imagine7xy: fglrx-uninstall.sh shouldn't this work to uninstall it?
Droste: as far as I know there's an uninstall script (fglrx_uninstall.sh) which deletes all files from fglrx
imagine7xy: Droste, but it doesn't work, I get an error
imagine7xy: Kindly look at my error please http://pastebin.com/YJj1rfD5
eichi: imagine7xy: why you get this error? because ati did a damn wors script
eichi: and you trust them
imagine7xy: how do i set an environmental variable?
imagine7xy: $FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL
eichi: export WHAT_EVER=/some/path
imagine7xy: Errors were encountered while processing:
imagine7xy: /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.723.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
imagine7xy: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
DanaG: Pastebin the full output!
DanaG: that "returned an error code" says that it failed... but not WHY or HOW it failed.
laumonier: i have an ati mobility radeon x1700 and i have ubuntu 10.04 do you think that radeon driver is the best for my card ? radeonhd is better or not? fglrx works i heard that with old card fglrx doesnt work anymore is that true?
virtuald: laumonier: use radeon
virtuald: fglrx only works in 8.10 and older for that card
laumonier: that suxx because radeon doesnt work like i want
virtuald: o.o
virtuald: what doesn't?
laumonier: video game
laumonier: for example cant play wow
virtuald: ok then you have to use older xorg, like with an older ubuntu release.
virtuald: older xorg on 10.04 probably will not work
laumonier: i try to do that one month ago and i had to reinstall ubuntu because my laptop didnt work so not for me
laumonier: i have another question an old card can works with the newest opengl or not?
imagine7xy: Why would it be- that when I have Visual Effects set to None my windows are very laggy? However, if I use CompizConfig it doesn't lag
imagine7xy: What would cause this?
virtuald: laumonier: not the newest, but i don't think many games use it anyway
imagine7xy: its like only compiz will actually use my video card??
imagine7xy: i wasted a whole day trying to just get my video card working on Linux
imagine7xy: its all about first impressions though right? haha
imagine7xy: SOLD
imagine7xy: oh wait, its free, I cant complain
imagine7xy: Comeon, there are 2 major Graphic cards that make up 99% of the market, Nvidia/ATI, how hard is it to just make those work??
imagine7xy: If you got the manpower this community has
MostAwesomeDude: 1) If it were all about first impressions, you'd already be kicked.
MostAwesomeDude: 2) Intel makes up half the market. Troll harder.
MostAwesomeDude: 3) Oh, look, we don't have the manpower.
MostAwesomeDude: 4) Did you actually uninstall fglrx yet?
imagine7xy: yes MostAwesome
imagine7xy: Now I'm stuck again
imagine7xy: Its just upsetting, this is a general computer problem
imagine7xy: Microsoft is f'd up too
imagine7xy: What AGP video card would you recommend ?
imagine7xy: 4 Linux
MostAwesomeDude: Could you post your Xorg.0.log to a pastebin?
MostAwesomeDude: I would *not* recommend any AGP chipset.
imagine7xy: well, I can't get a new motherboard right now
imagine7xy: Xorg.0.log where is this?
imagine7xy: nvm
Droste: imagine7xy: currently I'm running a x1950pro (AGP) which runs fine and before that I owned a x850pro (AGP) which also worked as expected.
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/uJNDNM3r
adamk_: Whee... fglrx.
imagine7xy: AwesomeDude, does that help at all?
adamk_: imagine7xy: You're using fglrx.
Droste: yes, fglrx is still installed
imagine7xy: adamk, yes...
adamk_: This is the channel for the open source radeon driver.
imagine7xy: what is the apt-get for that ?
imagine7xy: I'll uninstall these and put the open source driver
imagine7xy: I havent tried that yet!
imagine7xy: Thats why I am here
imagine7xy: please..
imagine7xy: infact, I have just uninstalled them
adamk_: They came installed and enabled by default.
imagine7xy: Yes
imagine7xy: adamk
imagine7xy: I have uninstalled, forget fglrx
imagine7xy: its GONE
imagine7xy: How do I install the opensource drivers sir?
adamk_: They are already installed. Remove fglrx, remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, reboot.
adamk_: And now I'm off to bed.
imagine7xy: lol..
imagine7xy: Well they are doing a hell of a job
imagine7xy: When Linux boots without fglrx it says using Low Graphics Mode
imagine7xy: Is this correct?
adamk_: You've managed to screw up your system quite a bit.
imagine7xy: What??
adamk_: According to that Xorg log file, you have two different versions of fglrx installed.
imagine7xy: From the get go it was screwed up
adamk_: I have no idea what you did, but I'm not sticking around to bail you out.
imagine7xy: same old stor
imagine7xy: story*
imagine7xy: I wasted a whole day on this
imagine7xy: I'm reading forums like crazy, and the solutions just dont work
soreau: imagine7xy: If you use a live cd of lucid right now, it will have the open driver working OOTB with 3D. Same if you install a fresh copy of lucid
imagine7xy: soreau, this is a fresh install of lucid
soreau: Not any more
imagine7xy: What do you mean?
soreau: you already tainted it with fglrx
imagine7xy: So where should I install the drivers from?
soreau: You don't have to install any driver because the driver is already installed and working. But you have so now it wont.
imagine7xy: soreau, when I fresh installed, things were NOT working,
imagine7xy: Thats how I ended up here
soreau: Well if you can show that log, this is where we should start
imagine7xy: When I fresh installed, everything was slow, dragging a windows was EXTREMELY choppy
imagine7xy: scrolling was slow
imagine7xy: etc
soreau: What happens in a live lucid session?
imagine7xy: Unable to find any supported Screen sections
imagine7xy: What does this mean?
imagine7xy: soreau, its just slow as heck
imagine7xy: im trying to use sudo aticonfig --initial
soreau: Can you boot a live session and come back here then pastebin your X log?
imagine7xy: i think if I can get it to run im set
imagine7xy: what is the diffrence between a live CD and installing it?
imagine7xy: Same result correct?
imagine7xy: When I fresh installed it was laggy
soreau: It was until you installed fglrx
soreau: no you've broken it
MostAwesomeDude: I'm strongly encouraged to suggest something like:
MostAwesomeDude: $ sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-backup && sudo find /lib/modules -name fglrx.ko -exec mv {} {}.backup \;
soreau: hey there you go. If you don't feel like booting a live session fresh, just atom bomb fglrx ;)
soreau: Aw, why mv? needs more rm
imagine7xy: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-backup && sudo find /lib/modules -name fglrx.ko -exec mv {} {}.backup \;
imagine7xy: that did nothing
imagine7xy: that i could tell
soreau: lol
soreau: the only problem with that is if ubuntu gets confused because fglrx package is still installed
imagine7xy: mv: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
soreau: Can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l|grep fglrx'?
imagine7xy: did nothing
imagine7xy: dpkg -l|grep fglrx
imagine7xy: im really losing hope here
soreau: alright, reboot then come back and pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
imagine7xy: can i delete it first so you get a fresh log?
Droste: you also need to replace the fglrx libGL with a version from mesa... this is not going to work. I would also suggest booting from a live or a fresh install.
soreau: sure, knock yourself out
imagine7xy: So where did I make a mistake??
soreau: Yea, that's true
imagine7xy: I'll just reinstall everything I guess?
soreau: imagine7xy: Before you reboot, reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
soreau: and libgl1-mesa-dri while you're at it
imagine7xy: sudo apt-get libgl1-mesa-glx
imagine7xy: ?
imagine7xy: how does that work to install it
imagine7xy: what do i typppe
imagine7xy: im used to just downloading and double clicking to install programs, not all this cryptic command stuff
imagine7xy: it has a huge learning curve
imagine7xy: I honestly thing its a waste of brain space
imagine7xy: but everyone talks about linux so i want to learn it
virtuald: apt-get reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
imagine7xy: E: Invalid operation reinstall
imagine7xy: see man?
imagine7xy: wtf?
virtuald: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
virtuald: or aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx does the same thing
imagine7xy: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
imagine7xy: done
imagine7xy: Anything else?
soreau: right. reinstall those two packages then coldboot the machine
imagine7xy: apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx
imagine7xy: what was the other one?
Droste: I personally believe ubuntu is not a good distro for starters... I don't know why everyone is using it :-)
soreau: libgl1-mesa-dri
MostAwesomeDude: Ubuntu's not (that) bad.
imagine7xy: see, the names are so damn similar lol
soreau: Droste: I think it's great to start learning on
imagine7xy: i dunno how u possibly remember all these CLI commands
imagine7xy: you must be like the rain man
Droste: I'm not saying that it's bad
spstarr: erm
imagine7xy: 14% so far
soreau: wb spstarr
spstarr: im having lockups with git master + kms BUT only
spstarr: if I don't press escape on boot
Droste: But there are distros with more advanced GUI tools, which helps people coming from windows :-)
soreau: Droste: Like (zomg) Kubuntu!?
Droste: hell no
soreau: ;)
rmrfslash: I feel like the radeon driver is killing my battery. Whenever I have this driver enabled my fan is constantly whirring away. Is this a known feature?
imagine7xy: Can someone tell me why the heck I had to do all this just to get my video card to work?
imagine7xy: (Still doesn't work btw)
imagine7xy: yet... i hope
soreau: imagine7xy: You shouldn't have had to because it should have already been working
Droste: you don't had to do this. in fact it was bad to do this
soreau: If you feel so compelled, file a bug
imagine7xy: It wasn't though... I I don't get it it..
imagine7xy: It was so laggy
imagine7xy: HD 3450
soreau: imagine7xy: Pastebin your X log (/var/log/Xorg.0.log)
imagine7xy: AGP
imagine7xy: 82% [1 libgl1-mesa-dri 2,372kB/2,866kB 82%] 10.6kB/s 46s
soreau: imagine7xy: Or, just check the output of 'glxinfo|grep renderer' from your terminal
soreau: oh wait..
spstarr: my fedora 13 has become stale over the last few weeks doing a yum update
soreau: imagine7xy: You still haven't rebooted yet?
imagine7xy: nope
imagine7xy: its downloading so slow..
soreau: spstarr: it's bitrot ;)
spstarr: yep
imagine7xy: I got a 1 MB Up...
soreau: ah
imagine7xy: its their serer
spstarr: work has kept me quite busy
imagine7xy: server***
soreau: imagine7xy: lucid repos are slammed because of everyone upgrading probably
soreau: spstarr: Has your new job been good to you so far?
spstarr: soreau: RIM is quite interesting
spstarr: soreau: it will be _months_ before i actually do significant work though
spstarr: that should tell you how much I need to learn and am learning heh
itzamna: Hello all, does r700 DRI work on OpenBSD?
spstarr: the commute isn't so bad if i avoid traffic :-)
spstarr: agd5f: lemme see if i can see more PM info on rv635
soreau: spstarr: at least you're working now :)
spstarr: yes
spstarr: soreau: but my probation period will make or break me heh
itzamna: Does r700 DRI work on OpenBSD?
spstarr: but I should not worry about that right now
imagine7xy: OK
imagine7xy: I have restarted
spstarr: im only a month in
soreau: imagine7xy: From your terminal, can you show the output of 'glxinfo|grep renderer'?
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/ZxpXbkhB
imagine7xy: MY new log
imagine7xy: X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
imagine7xy: Major opcode of failed request: 135 (GLX)
imagine7xy: Minor opcode of failed request: 19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
imagine7xy: Serial number of failed request: 14
imagine7xy: Current serial number in output stream: 14
soreau: itzamna: Not sure their kernel has support for r6-7xx
imagine7xy: also, since I have restarted, my resolution is bad
itzamna: soreau: Thanks for the heads up, I'll stick with FreeBSD then
imagine7xy: How do you change your resolution??
soreau: imagine7xy: You still have fglrx glx installed
soreau: MostAwesomeDude: ^^
imagine7xy: soreau
imagine7xy: I know
soreau: itzamna: I could be completely wrong however ;)
imagine7xy: I just reinstalled it, now I need to see how to uninstall again
soreau: wtf?
imagine7xy: soreau, wait you don't understand
itzamna: soreau: Oh shoot, looks like I'll have to go test it
imagine7xy: soreau: so tough to type all this
imagine7xy: soreau: I installed it BEFORE
imagine7xy: soreau: at a moment
imagine7xy: soreau: before u told me all this
imagine7xy: soreau: wait 1 sec...
imagine7xy: soreau: im overwhelmed.
imagine7xy: alright
imagine7xy: i have uninstalled it sucessfully
imagine7xy: I am going to delete log and reboot again
imagine7xy: alright
imagine7xy: NOW IT should be uninstalled
imagine7xy: paste bin 1 sec
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/ierTehnN
imagine7xy: How does it look?
imagine7xy: soreau: Are you there?
soreau: imagine7xy: looking
soreau: It's still broken
imagine7xy: What do I need to do?
imagine7xy: I have uninstalled everything now
virtuald: aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-video-ati
soreau: imagine7xy: What I would really like for you to do, is boot a live cd then come here and pastebin the log
soreau: so I could have something sane to compare it to
soreau: or you could try virtuald's suggestion
soreau: virtuald: What makes you think the ddx is faulty?
imagine7xy: ok im installing it right now
soreau: not unprobable, just curious ;)
imagine7xy: ok
imagine7xy: ive installed it
imagine7xy: should I reboot?
soreau: ah
soreau: No, just log out
Droste: soreau: this (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)
imagine7xy: seriously?
soreau: Droste: Yea I got it now (duh)
soreau: imagine7xy: yes.
virtuald: soreau: #
virtuald: (II) LoadModule: "ati"
virtuald: #
virtuald: (WW) Warning, couldn't open module ati
virtuald: #
virtuald: (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)
imagine7xy: my screen is very messed up now
soreau: virtuald:
imagine7xy: It has been
virtuald: :p
imagine7xy: Since I uninstalled ftlrd
imagine7xy: or whatever
soreau: imagine7xy: Alright, just pastebin your current X log please
imagine7xy: virtuald's suggestion made no impact
Droste: pastebin the log
imagine7xy: ok
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/3yRuVhg6
imagine7xy: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
imagine7xy: Why is this repeated like 200 times?
Droste: is this the new log?
imagine7xy: yes
soreau: imagine7xy: Do /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so and radeon_drv.so exist?
Droste: is the command "ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so" showing a file? or an error?
virtuald: i don't think just logging out restarts the x server
imagine7xy: bash: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so: No such file or directory
Droste: virtuald: it does :-)
soreau: I expect it to on ubuntu
imagine7xy: bash: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so: No such file or directory
imagine7xy: tis my problem and is there a solution?
soreau: imagine7xy: Can you show the output of 'dpkg -l|grep xserver-xorg-video-ati'?
virtuald: you didn
virtuald: didn't install xserver-xorg-video-radeon:
imagine7xy: dpkg -l|grep xserver-xorg-video-ati
imagine7xy: does nothing
imagine7xy: goes straight back to CLI
imagine7xy: outputs nothing
imagine7xy: how do u install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
imagine7xy: on ubuntu
virtuald: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
virtuald: aptitude reinstall probably failed before
imagine7xy: installing
virtuald: you should try reading
imagine7xy: Was that all in the log?
imagine7xy: what line?
Droste: kind of :-)
imagine7xy: I didn't even know this log existed till you guys told me
Droste: it's still missing -> you didn't install it
imagine7xy: what line told you this?
imagine7xy: of the log
Droste: line 103: (EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)
imagine7xy: Droste, I'm installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon
imagine7xy: yes
imagine7xy: I deleted that moduel
soreau: imagine7xy: 100-105
imagine7xy: How did you know it was at xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
imagine7xy: How did you know that "(EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module does not exist, 0)" means you have to install specifically "xserver-xorg-video-radeon" ?
soreau: Because the file the xserver needs is radeon_drv.so and it's provided by xserver-xorg-video-radeon according to packages.ubuntu.com
soreau: ati_drv.so is a wrapper that loads radeon_drv.so
virtuald: i used apt-file to list the files in xserver-xorg-video-radeon, i knew from memory that's the package
imagine7xy: yes but radeon.so is not mentioned in the log
imagine7xy: So how did you know I needed specifically xserver-xorg-video-radeon?>
soreau: imagine7xy: It's not spelled out for you which is one of the many reasons why we have support channels ;)
imagine7xy: where can I learn this?
Droste: here
soreau: stick around?
Droste: you just lerned it :-)
imagine7xy: oh... so there was no way for me to know this by just looking at the log?
imagine7xy: to know that I needed xserver-xorg-video-radeon specifically
imagine7xy: without connecting that first?
soreau: hypothetically, no
imagine7xy: or google?
imagine7xy: ok
soreau: On ubuntu, this package is installed by default
imagine7xy: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Invalid argument
Droste: google is always worth a try
imagine7xy: Any idea what this is?
soreau: Some side effect of the vesa driver or remnants of fglrx
Droste: should vanish after the right modules are loaded
imagine7xy: ok
imagine7xy: done installing i will reboot, when i get back, new log in pastebin
Droste: 2:1 it's still missing :-D
soreau: nah, it'll be fglrx again xD
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/64Kbxez6
Droste: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so ?
imagine7xy: http://imagebin.org/95036
imagine7xy: This is what my desktop looks like
imagine7xy: its all white for some reason
imagine7xy: "Low Graphics Mode"
imagine7xy: or something
Droste: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
imagine7xy: bash: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so: Permission denied i suppose I would have to use sudo
imagine7xy: You just wanna see if its there tho right?
soreau: imagine7xy: Can you show the output of 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon'?
Droste: yes
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon
imagine7xy: [sudo] password for imagine:
imagine7xy: Reading package lists... Done
imagine7xy: Building dependency tree
imagine7xy: Reading state information... Done
imagine7xy: xserver-xorg-video-radeon is already the newest version.
imagine7xy: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Droste: are there 2 packages? xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-ati?
imagine7xy: i dont know about ati
imagine7xy: is it sudo apt-get xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
imagine7xy: how do i check
imagine7xy: package manager or is there an easier way?
Droste: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati
imagine7xy: installing
imagine7xy: is this the final peice of the puzzle?
soreau: hopefully
soreau: yes, it is two separate packages
soreau: I bet -ati depends on -radeon
Ke: afaik it is
Ke: not only depends
Droste: but why 2 packages?
imagine7xy: Processing triggers for man-db ...
imagine7xy: Setting up xserver-xorg-video-r128 (6.8.1-2ubuntu1) ...
imagine7xy: Setting up xserver-xorg-video-mach64 (6.8.2-2) ...
imagine7xy: Setting up xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5) ...
imagine7xy: brb
Ke: http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-ati
Ke: apparently not
Droste: any bets? :-)
spstarr: agd5f: yes
spstarr: i see more clock states now
spstarr: 5 states vs just one
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/sjbVw7ZG
imagine7xy: 295: ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3430,
spstarr: 600000/700000, 110000/405000, 300000/405000, 300000/700000
imagine7xy: thats me at 3450
imagine7xy: my scroll is working better but the screen is still all white
imagine7xy: and dragging windows still sucks a bit
imagine7xy: its smooth but tears
soreau: looks good
imagine7xy: What do I do now?
Droste: you can change modes with "xrandr"
imagine7xy: um, just type xrandr in the terminal
imagine7xy: thats it?
soreau: imagine7xy: Can you pastebin the output of 'glxinfo'?
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/8c0veg0a
Droste: without an option xrandr show all supported modes
soreau: Looks good
soreau: imagine7xy: I don't see white in the screenshot you posted earlier..
spstarr: [ 407.742834] You have old & broken userspace please consider updating mesa ;-)
spstarr: we really should remove that :)
soreau: imagine7xy: But an easy way to use xrandr is sys>prefs>display
imagine7xy: There are also alot of x-server stuff I don't have in Package Manager
imagine7xy: do i need it?
soreau: don't worry about that
imagine7xy: k
soreau: no, you don't need it
soreau: it's probably for hardware you don't have
imagine7xy: oh they are all debugging symbols it says anyway
imagine7xy: spstarr: we really should remove that do what?
imagine7xy: i have to idea what 407.742834 means
imagine7xy: no* sorry
imagine7xy: soreau: going to xrand there right now
Droste: ignore that message, it wasn't for your eyes ;-)
imagine7xy: i have no display
imagine7xy: in preferences
spstarr: imagine7xy: its a NOOP message now
imagine7xy: im in main menu edit as well
imagine7xy: it doesn't exist for me
soreau: imagine7xy: It might be called resolution settings or something to that effects
imagine7xy: i see Windows
soreau: Appearance?
imagine7xy: i dont see anything with display | resolution
imagine7xy: yes
soreau: wonders what they call it in lucid
imagine7xy: appearance
imagine7xy: now
imagine7xy: i have 4 tabs
imagine7xy: theme | background | fonts | visual effects
imagine7xy: in appearance
imagine7xy: no resolution settings
imagine7xy: that i can see
soreau: nah, that can't be it
imagine7xy: trust me, ive been looking all over it in there
imagine7xy: i wanna find resolution but cant for like 24 hours
imagine7xy: lol
imagine7xy: im not a stupid person either
imagine7xy: I dont think its in the menu
imagine7xy: but i havent checked everywhere yet
virtuald: the program is called gnome-display-properties
soreau: imagine7xy: Do you have gnome-control-center installed?
soreau: yes, run gnome-display-properties from your terminal and see what it says
soreau: if it's not installed, then install the package I mentioned ;)
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ gnome-control-center
imagine7xy: ** (gnome-control-center:1663): WARNING **:
imagine7xy: error raised: [libslab_get_gconf_value: error getting /desktop/gnome/applications/main-menu/lock-down/user_modifiable_apps]
imagine7xy: ** (gnome-control-center:1663): WARNING **: get_actions_list() - PROBLEM - Can't load gtk-theme-selector.desktop
imagine7xy: ** (gnome-control-center:1663): WARNING **: get_actions_list() - PROBLEM - Can't load gnome-cups-manager.desktop
soreau: well, I guess it's xrandr for you then ;)
virtuald: does it work though?
imagine7xy: gnome-control-center exists
imagine7xy: is installed
imagine7xy: but doesnt work
soreau: xrandr --help
imagine7xy: i get above error
soreau: or man xrandr
soreau: or.. what's that debian wiki how 2 xrandr link
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ xrandr
imagine7xy: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1440 x 900, maximum 8192 x 8192
imagine7xy: VGA-0 connected 1440x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 408mm x 255mm
imagine7xy: 1440x900 75.1*+ 75.0 59.9
imagine7xy: 1600x1024 60.2
imagine7xy: 1400x1050 60.0 60.0
imagine7xy: 1280x1024 75.0 60.0
imagine7xy: 1280x960 60.0
imagine7xy: 1360x768 60.0 59.8
imagine7xy: 1280x800 74.9 59.8
imagine7xy: 1152x864 75.0 75.0 70.0 60.0
imagine7xy: 1280x768 74.9 59.9
imagine7xy: 1024x768 75.1 75.0 70.1 60.0
imagine7xy: 832x624 74.6
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/YxLpvZyM
spstarr: brb
soreau: imagine7xy: Please use a pastebin service for more than a few lines
imagine7xy: ok
soreau: and read this http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
imagine7xy: so is everything working correctly?
imagine7xy: I just need to set resolution?
soreau: if that's what you want to do..
imagine7xy: huh??
imagine7xy: i just want it to work, like any sane person
soreau: Seems you're already at 1440x900..
imagine7xy: yes
imagine7xy: but
soreau: Did you want to switch it to a different resolution?
imagine7xy: my screen is all messed up! :(
imagine7xy: its white
Droste: could you make another screenshot?
imagine7xy: its messed up trust me
soreau: Can you show a screenshot?
imagine7xy: 1 moment
soreau: Apparently it's not all white or you wouldn't be able to function
imagine7xy: This is EXACTly how it appears for me
imagine7xy: http://imagebin.org/95037
imagine7xy: Do you see all the white??
Droste: no
imagine7xy: i can hardly see where to type
imagine7xy: in this window
imagine7xy: It must be showing u correct
imagine7xy: but on my end
imagine7xy: its messed up
Jonimus: imagine7xy: it looks fine to us
imagine7xy: Well its not
Droste: you are sure it's not the monitor?
Jonimus: which means the issue is between the card and the monitor
Droste: is it plugged in correctly? :-)
Jonimus: it might have the wrong mode
soreau: I fail to see the problem
soreau: or the monitor..
imagine7xy: I use it on windows all the time
imagine7xy: It works great
Jonimus: imagine7xy: try changing mode
imagine7xy: the monior
imagine7xy: Change how?
soreau: imagine7xy: What resolution do you use there?
imagine7xy: what mode?
imagine7xy: 1400x900
Droste: @75Hz?
imagine7xy: when I had that other program installed it was working on Linux
imagine7xy: Earlier today
imagine7xy: damn whats it called
imagine7xy: ntfld
imagine7xy: or whatever
imagine7xy: u told me to uninstall it
imagine7xy: it was making the colors show up correctly
imagine7xy: but it was still laggy
imagine7xy: AT ONE POINT I HAD NO LAG
imagine7xy: when i was using compizconfig
Jonimus: imagine7xy: try running xrandr -r 59.9
imagine7xy: but scroll still lagged
imagine7xy: and colors were perfect
soreau: imagine7xy: The fact that you're seeing white but it's not showing in your screenshot suggests it's a problem with your monitor or the connection from the monitor to the graphics card
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ xrandr -r 59.9
imagine7xy: Rate 59.0 Hz not available for this size
Jonimus: imagine7xy: try running xrandr -r 60
Jonimus: then
soreau: especially since you said this was happening even when using the vesa driver
spstarr: yes, new plymouth is not locking up bootup
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ xrandr -r 60
imagine7xy: showed nothing
imagine7xy: but screen flashed
spstarr: now let's see how GLSL works and stalls
Jonimus: soreau: it might not be, it could be a misdetected rate.
Jonimus: imagine7xy: but then still white?
imagine7xy: Yes
soreau: imagine7xy: In linux, no output generally indicates success
soreau: imagine7xy: What is the native resolution for your monitor?
soreau: or do you know
Jonimus: soreau: I'd assume its 1400x900
imagine7xy: YEs
imagine7xy: 1400x900
soreau: Jonimus: But you know what assuming leads to ;)
spstarr: lots of stalls still :/
Droste: try: xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1400x1050 --rate 60
soreau: imagine7xy: For a test, try xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1600x1024
soreau: heh
imagine7xy: im missing my bars now
imagine7xy: its too big
imagine7xy: height wise
imagine7xy: how can i find out my monitor version
imagine7xy: then u can see my refresh
Droste: but it's not white anymore?
imagine7xy: its white
spstarr: GLSL enabled but sluggish, its taking a long time to compile the shader programs (the game is bright white with little bit of background poking though)
imagine7xy: Very white
Jonimus: imagine7xy: can you lower your brightness?
soreau: imagine7xy: Did you check the physical connection to the graphics card (from your monitor)?
imagine7xy: soreau
imagine7xy: Its not that
imagine7xy: I was just using it
imagine7xy: it was working fine in windows
spstarr: back to intel GPU for a while more ;/
imagine7xy: and
soreau: imagine7xy: I guess the only other way we can see what you're seeing is if you take a photograph of your monitor
imagine7xy: ITS WORKED FINE IN LINUX as well
Jonimus: imagine7xy: still please check, it will take what 5 seconds
imagine7xy: ok
imagine7xy: i took it out
imagine7xy: put back in
imagine7xy: firm
imagine7xy: still white
imagine7xy: ive seen this happen on windows before, when the color mode is wrong
imagine7xy: like u got True Color/ etc.
soreau: imagine7xy: I think Jonimus was referring to checking the brightness controls of your monitor
imagine7xy: 16 colors, 256 colors, etc.
imagine7xy: yes
imagine7xy: i checked
imagine7xy: they are set correctly
soreau: hmm.. *checks bit depth*
imagine7xy: wait
imagine7xy: what is VGA-0 ??
imagine7xy: xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1400x900 --rate 75
imagine7xy: are there other modes?
imagine7xy: --output
imagine7xy: i should say
soreau: all the one's xrandr lists
soreau:
Droste: is the picture you see on the screen ok while botting?
spstarr: intel fixed GLSL now i can use it finally
imagine7xy: no bad idea
imagine7xy: Screen went BLACK
imagine7xy: had to restart
Droste: imagine7xy: pastebin output of dmesg | grep -E "drm|radeon"
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ dmesg | grep -E "drm|radeon
imagine7xy: > ^C
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$ ^C
imagine7xy: imagine@Nexus:~$
imagine7xy: it gave me >
imagine7xy: after i typed it
imagine7xy: why?
soreau: imagine7xy: You didn't typed it
Droste: there are two "
soreau: you typo'd it
soreau: pay attention
imagine7xy: k
imagine7xy: pastebin
imagine7xy: 1 sec
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.org/193686
Droste: is the picture you see on the screen ok while booting?
soreau: Droste: Didn't you mean egrep?
Droste: same
imagine7xy: yes I think so
imagine7xy: as far as i know
soreau: oh didn't notice the oversized -E there xD
imagine7xy: its like everything is a BIT lighter
imagine7xy: like way too light
imagine7xy: contract at 100%
imagine7xy: or something
soreau: brightness!
soreau: Droste: I bet ubuntu does weird splash stuff so it's deceiving on boot up
spstarr: not fully working ;/
Droste: ah yeah... I always forget that not everyone loves when the text flows over the screen :-D
soreau: pat pats spstarr
imagine7xy: yeah, buts slow as well
imagine7xy: Scrolling
imagine7xy: etc
soreau: or some might not know what they're missing!!!
spstarr: im just going to wait for the r600g driver to take shape
Droste: AGP mode 1x? how old is your mainboard?
imagine7xy: should and if I set visual effects to "Extra" it won't let me
imagine7xy: But this video card should more than handle it
soreau: imagine7xy: I think you're imaging things because you can't use X when it truly is *white* and scrolling seems to work well for everyone else ;)
imagine7xy: imaging things?
spstarr: im afraid 'classic mesa' is falling too behind in stuff where the state trackers in gallium 3d really will let us fully utilize the power of our GPUs properly.
soreau: put an 'in' in there somewhere
imagine7xy: I'm not imagining this
imagine7xy: Its messed up
Droste: have you tried lowering the brightness of the monitor with the buttons on the monitor?
imagine7xy: I know what IT SHOULD look like
imagine7xy: Yes
imagine7xy: Droste
imagine7xy: monitor is set up fine
imagine7xy: There is something wrong with X windows system
imagine7xy: With these drivers
imagine7xy: or whatever
soreau: imagine7xy: Can you try setting to None in appearance?
imagine7xy: I set it to ALL 3
imagine7xy: doesnt fix
soreau: so it may be a ddx bug
imagine7xy: HOWEVER
imagine7xy: When it is set to None, dragging the windows LAGS
imagine7xy: if I set it to Normal
imagine7xy: It doesn't lag
imagine7xy: Isnt that ass backwards?
imagine7xy: Shouldnt it be faster at None?
soreau: Anything other than None enabled compiz
imagine7xy: wait
imagine7xy: If I try to open compiz
imagine7xy: it doesnt let me
soreau: compiz is a compositing window manager which takes advantage of compositing and 3D
imagine7xy: it fails
soreau: What?
imagine7xy: I tried to open Compiz and it said Could not launch 'CompizConfig Settings Manager' Failed to execute child process "ccsm" (No such file or directory)
soreau: That's because you don't have ccsm installed silly
soreau: ccsm != compiz
imagine7xy: oh
soreau: and this is beginning to smell more like an upgrade than a clean lucid install
imagine7xy: soreau: Why with Compiz is doesn't lag? With "None" it lags when I drag windows?
soreau: [21:04:35]
imagine7xy: i dont understand that
imagine7xy: so...
Droste: do you know the frequency (75Hz or 60Hz or ??Hz) windows is using?
imagine7xy: My graphics card wont handle the "None" setting?
imagine7xy: I dont know drost
imagine7xy: how do i check?
imagine7xy: I could live with this..
imagine7xy: Everything is cool but my screen is damn white all over
soreau: You could try enabling metacity compositing and see what happens
imagine7xy: how?
soreau: with gconf-editor, how else? :)
imagine7xy: lol
imagine7xy: you know, im usually the guy explaining to people how computers work
imagine7xy: this is weird to be the dumbass for once in a long time
soreau: I guess you could use gconftool-2, but who wants to get lost in a CLI
imagine7xy: gconf-editor, i never heard of it
imagine7xy: i wouldnt know where to start
imagine7xy: sudo get-apt install gconf-editor ?
soreau: Try running it first
imagine7xy: opened
imagine7xy: now?
imagine7xy: aqpps
soreau: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager
imagine7xy: set to true?
imagine7xy: k
imagine7xy: done
imagine7xy: nothing happened
imagine7xy: do i need to restart?
soreau: no
soreau: Note that this will probably disable your ability to start compiz
imagine7xy: ah??
soreau: since metacity doesn't support switching to another compositing manager
imagine7xy: how do i start compiz?
imagine7xy: to edit its settings?
soreau: however, try None setting now (which will enable metacity)
soreau: and see if compositing makes things any different
imagine7xy: nope
imagine7xy: doesnt work
imagine7xy: still same
soreau: well it's not a driver issue
imagine7xy: Why when I use None is it so LAGGY?
soreau: if you want more help with compiz, join me in #compiz since it's OT here
Droste: imagine7xy: are you using an mac? or normal pc?
imagine7xy: normal pc
imagine7xy: Pentium 4
imagine7xy: if I could just get my colors to work
imagine7xy: ill be a happy campter
Droste: soreau: is ubuntu using grub or grub2? maybe it would help to change radeon module parameters (agpmode, new_pll oder disp_priority)
soreau: Droste: grub2, which you can still edit kernel params with 'e'
Droste: does it show a boot menu?
soreau: Yes, just like grub always has
Droste: yeah but I thought they disable the boot menu if only ubuntu is installed
Droste: imagine7xy: you can edit your boot line (if you see a boot menu) before booting ubuntu and add at the end: radeon.new_pll=0 radeon.agpmode=4 radeon.disp_priority=2
soreau: but it can be a real pita to convince grub2 to work with GPT partitioning table
soreau: Droste: You can still hit Esc at boot time if hidden menu is set
Droste: ah, didn't know that
virtuald: it's left shift in grub 2
soreau: points to Droste and says 'what he said'
soreau: left shift is just plain confusing imho
soreau: when I'm fumbling for a key at the last second I realize it needs input, Esc is soo much easier to find than 'left shift'
soreau: that requires a whole brain wave to execute before I find it
Droste: maybe they chose it to train your brain ;-)
imagine7xy: so are we all out of ideas?
Droste: (05:24:12) Droste: imagine7xy: you can edit your boot line (if you see a boot menu) before booting ubuntu and add at the end: radeon.new_pll=0 radeon.agpmode=4 radeon.disp_priority=2
imagine7xy: I had the colors working properly when I was using the other drivers
imagine7xy: earlier today
imagine7xy: drost
imagine7xy: how do i edit that?
imagine7xy: do i hit a hotkey
imagine7xy: while ubuntu is booting?
soreau: imagine7xy: I'm pretty tired, maybe you can take a picture of your monitor of what is 'white' because it's not showing in your screenshots
Droste: left shift to show the boot menu and e to edit the line
Droste: while booting
imagine7xy: ok brb
soreau: virtuald: I can't imaging it saying (at boot time) 'Left Shift to show menu'
soreau: I would like to believe Esc still works :P
Droste: in the first place there's no reason to hide it :-D
soreau: indeed
soreau: esp. when you tri or quad-boot ;)
imagine7xy: Drost
imagine7xy: i couldnt do it
imagine7xy: I held shit
imagine7xy: and went to a screen
imagine7xy: with
imagine7xy: Ubuntu
imagine7xy: Ubuntu (generic)
imagine7xy: etc
Droste: yes sounds good
imagine7xy: do I have to write this command on a peice of paper
imagine7xy: what was it agian?
soreau: Right, so you use the arrow keys to highlight and 'e' to edit
Droste: radeon.new_pll=0 radeon.agpmode=4 radeon.disp_priority=2
soreau:
soreau: good idea to write it down as you definitely do not want to typo here
soreau: He's not going to know which is the kernel line
soreau: :)
Droste: could happen... true... :-D
imagine7xy: Nope
soreau: Droste: How do you know what these module args are set to? Some /proc file?
imagine7xy: I put it as last line
imagine7xy: and hit
Droste: sudo modinfo radeon
imagine7xy: Ctrl + X
imagine7xy: to boot
imagine7xy: same
imagine7xy: I can see my wallpaper and stuff
imagine7xy: it looks fine except
imagine7xy: Contract / Brightness way too high
soreau: imagine7xy: I don't think the kernel is the last line. please pastebin the output of 'sudo modinfo radeon'
Droste: could you pastebin dmesg | grep -E "drm|radeon" and xrandr output again?
imagine7xy: and some stuff is missing
imagine7xy: even when i turn my monitor brightness down to 50%
imagine7xy: the text box outline is missing
imagine7xy: etc
imagine7xy: when i type right here in pidgin
Droste: ah you want to check the current values? cd /sys/module/radeon/parameters
soreau: yes that's what I meant Droste
soreau: because it's prolly pebcak ;)
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/jWjU5ajE
Droste: ok yeah none of the parameters are set :-)
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/Lm75mvmk
soreau: imagine7xy: What I was going to tell you before you left is that you need to append these parameters to the kernel line, after args like ro quiet splash
soreau: It's not 'the last line'
imagine7xy: Just to get this video card working?
imagine7xy: Everytime I reinstall Ubuntu I have to do all this?
soreau: imagine7xy: No, what you seem to be experiencing is a bug
soreau: afaict, in ddx
Droste: yeah it's bad luck, the more common scenario is that it just works out of the box :-)
soreau: maybe it just doesn't like/know your monitor well
imagine7xy: Its a bug with my Rosewill monitor?
imagine7xy: 19" wide
imagine7xy: Why? Like I said, I have the Linux colors working earlier today
soreau: More likely the bug is that ddx does something wrong on your monitor
imagine7xy: what do I need to do now?
Droste: you could try again with fglrx. but you can't get hel here for that. you have to go to #ati
soreau: bugs happen because not all developers have the exact same hardware you have, like your monitor
soreau: slaps Droste
Droste: :-D
soreau: Droste: Oh you'll get hel!
soreau: xD
imagine7xy: I would love to get this working
imagine7xy: What should I do?
soreau: imagine7xy: The next logical step for you is to file a bug report
imagine7xy: oh man...
imagine7xy: I gotta work
imagine7xy: I gotta switch back to Windows 7
imagine7xy: im a web developer
imagine7xy: i wasted a whole day on this
imagine7xy: and i havent really learned one damn thing
Droste: you could try again adding the parameters, you have to add them to the line where other paramters such as "quiet" are present
imagine7xy: Cant I add this to grub inside Ubuntu?
soreau: You could but I wouldn't recommend it
imagine7xy: Alright
imagine7xy: all that
soreau: You should try first with editing by hand and testing what might work
imagine7xy: radeon.new_pll=0 stuff?
Droste: yes
imagine7xy: Where do I add it specifically?
imagine7xy: after quiet ?
imagine7xy: immediately?
imagine7xy: on new line?
Droste: yeah, but leave a space between them :-)
soreau: If you read, you would see the kernel arguments are separated by spaces
imagine7xy: brb
imagine7xy: yes
imagine7xy: like
imagine7xy: radeon.new_pll=0 radeon.agpmode=4
imagine7xy: and so on
imagine7xy: space between
imagine7xy: right?
Droste: yes
soreau: adamk had the right idea xD
Droste: to go away? :-D
soreau: that too
imagine7xy: no
imagine7xy: it didnt work
Droste: cat /sys/module/radeon/parameters/new_pll
Droste: 0 or 1?
imagine7xy: I did get a weird screen full of random colors though, where the ubuntu image usually is
imagine7xy: but everything else same
imagine7xy: new_pll=0
Droste: pastebin xrandr and dmesg | grep -E "drm|radeon"
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/FMMC5vz4
imagine7xy: http://pastebin.com/nqbiKBRv
Droste: does cat /sys/module/radeon/parameters/agpmode show 4?
soreau: imagine7xy: AMD bought ati over a year ago now and began releasing hardware specs which enabled the radeon developers to write a new, better driver. While it's fundamentally sound at the base, it still has bugs and needs improving. If you can't wait for a developer to respond here, then you should file a detailed bug report to help improve the driver
imagine7xy: 1
imagine7xy: if i type
imagine7xy: cat /sys/module/radeon/parameters/agpmode
imagine7xy: into terminal
soreau: and with that..
soreau: retires
Droste: ok so the parameters are still default. anyway new_pll is default 0 and that was my last hope
imagine7xy: ..
imagine7xy: So its not setting up correctly??
imagine7xy: the AGP?
Droste: you can either try again fglrx and ask for help in #ati (but don't let soreau know ;-)) or use windows
imagine7xy: does soreau develop this thing?
Droste: no
imagine7xy: u are having me use?
imagine7xy: why does he care then if I use fglrx?
Droste: or not that I know
soreau: I am just a user afaik
imagine7xy: Well...
imagine7xy: This thing isnt working.
imagine7xy: I want it to
imagine7xy: but it isnt
imagine7xy: And I dont know how to fix it
imagine7xy: All my colors are extremely high contrast
imagine7xy: or something
imagine7xy: I dunno what the hells going on
soreau: imagine7xy: It *is* working, you're just experiencing a bug
imagine7xy: but my screen dont look right
imagine7xy: well.... thats a problem
soreau: While we're at it, do you happen to have a different monitor lying around you could test with?
Droste: yes and if you want a fast solution you only have the two options
imagine7xy: I dont have another monitor
imagine7xy: u mean to tell me this thing doesn't know how to use my monitor but fglrx does?
Droste: seems so
imagine7xy: man
imagine7xy: this is why linux cant get popular
imagine7xy: cause shit doesnt work on it
Droste: that's not true
imagine7xy: This is my 3rd computer
imagine7xy: ive tried
imagine7xy: to use linux
imagine7xy: each time it didnt work
imagine7xy: all different specs
imagine7xy: I'm on a BAD LUCK streak
imagine7xy: or linux has major issues
imagine7xy: This is why I'm still a dumbass windows user
imagine7xy: cause i dont have right hardware???
imagine7xy: to try it
imagine7xy: and learn it
Droste: this time it looks like this, the normal way to solve this is to file a bug
imagine7xy: yeah, but that is going to take forever right?
imagine7xy: Like weeks?
soreau: a concept that may not be familiar to a windows user :P
Droste: but this needs time for the developers (and there aren't many) to find the problem
imagine7xy: Where do I post the bug?
imagine7xy: I'm just gonna buy a new monitor I guess
Droste: bugs.freedesktop.org
imagine7xy: Watch it is still the same tho...
imagine7xy: I bet..
imagine7xy: I'll buy off new egg
imagine7xy: damn..
Droste: before you buy something knew I would try a different monitor (from a friend?)
imagine7xy: sigh i dont have a friend to borrow a computer monitor off of
Droste: an old one in the basement?
imagine7xy: no
soreau: also ignoring the issue doesn't help the community
Droste: yeah a bug report with Xorg.log, dmesg, xrandr and a photo of the screen would help :-)
soreau: exactly. a *detailed* bug report
soreau: then the developers can review the issue
imagine7xy: well
imagine7xy: the monitor is
imagine7xy: R905E-W
imagine7xy: cant u guys file the report? I don't know shit about this stuff
imagine7xy: I wont know what to tell them
imagine7xy: R905E-W on Radeon HD 3450 AGP
imagine7xy: Colors show up badly, way too much contrast/brightness
imagine7xy: To the point, you cant really see what ur doing
imagine7xy: i cant even see this text box i am writing in
soreau: You need to take a photograph of your monitor
imagine7xy: im guessing where it is right now
imagine7xy: Damn, i dont have a camera
imagine7xy: what is this program called
imagine7xy: that is messing up with R905E-W on Radeon HD 3450 AGP
imagine7xy: X-Window or??
imagine7xy: X-Server ?
imagine7xy: The OpenSource drivers for ATI
soreau: you mean on the bug reporting site?
imagine7xy: no
imagine7xy: this program
imagine7xy: the drivers
imagine7xy: i am using
Droste: there are different parts
soreau: xf86-video-ati
soreau: I doubt the bug is in mesa or drm
Droste: I think the problem here is either radeon ddx (xf86-video-ati) or radeon kms (kernel module)
soreau: but that's purely speculation
Droste: true :-)
imagine7xy: Shouldnt I have a .conf file
imagine7xy: in X11??
soreau: imagine7xy: btw, when do you first see the 'white' from the time of boot up
imagine7xy: No, I see it when desktop comes up
Droste: you don't need one, it autodetects all
imagine7xy: and the menu bars are bine, just a little light
imagine7xy: they are like a light grey
soreau: Details!
imagine7xy: All colors show up
imagine7xy: Pink
imagine7xy: Blue
imagine7xy: RGB
imagine7xy: all the spectrum
soreau: it's like 18 of the 1000 words a real photograph tells ;)
imagine7xy: They are just A little LIGHTER
imagine7xy: GET IT
imagine7xy: Like Dark blue becomes Blue
imagine7xy: Blue becomes light blue
imagine7xy: etc
imagine7xy: Light grey becomes UNSEEABLE on white background
imagine7xy: like this text box
imagine7xy: Im in now
imagine7xy: everything is exactly the same
imagine7xy: but imagine contract at 200%
imagine7xy: if thats possible
imagine7xy: contrast
soreau: imagine7xy: one thing you could try is installing latest ddx and such but it's an advanced operation and has the potential of breaking what you already have going
imagine7xy: soreau
imagine7xy: ill try it
imagine7xy: what is command
soreau: google xorg-edgers and *read*
imagine7xy: wow
imagine7xy: this just isnt gonna work out
imagine7xy: Can you atleast tell me how to get my Windows 7 back please?
imagine7xy: Grub overwrote it
imagine7xy: I gotta start working again tommorow
imagine7xy: I got a project due
imagine7xy: And this shit is way too cryptic
imagine7xy: Right now
imagine7xy: This is like a fucking rubix cube
imagine7xy: Its a pain the ass, and I don't know anything about linux because I never got a change to use it to learn yet
imagine7xy: so I dont have the tools to learn till I buy new hardware
imagine7xy: I can't go from linux newb day 1 to modifying the damn kernel
soreau: bad planning? poor timing?
imagine7xy: bad hardware
imagine7xy: i guess??
imagine7xy: Im gonna have to do research on linux hardware
imagine7xy: and rebuild this damn computer
imagine7xy: before it will work
imagine7xy: its so annoying
imagine7xy: im the most unlucky man there is
imagine7xy: when it comes to linux
imagine7xy: 3 different computers, all different specs, each one had hardware issues
imagine7xy: Its NOT like i didnt try man
imagine7xy: I been on these irc channels since goddamn 9am this morning
imagine7xy: 15 hours
imagine7xy: straight
imagine7xy: i dont give up easily
Droste: you didn't delete windows? it just don't show up in the boot menu?
imagine7xy: No, I made Linux Primary and not Logical
imagine7xy: windows is still there
Droste: that's an ubuntu bug in this version :-D you're really don't have luck today. but there's a solution :-)
imagine7xy: maybe i can switch to something else
imagine7xy: not Ubuntu??
imagine7xy: and shit will work?
imagine7xy: Like Debian??
imagine7xy: What do u recommend
Droste: sudo update-grub should bring up windows in the boot menu
imagine7xy: -imagine@Nexus:~$ sudo update-grub
imagine7xy: [sudo] password for imagine:
imagine7xy: Generating grub.cfg ...
imagine7xy: Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic
imagine7xy: Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-21-generic
imagine7xy: Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
imagine7xy: done
Droste: no windows? hm
imagine7xy: it shows up
imagine7xy: in "Places"
imagine7xy: as
imagine7xy: 100 GB Filesystem
imagine7xy: if i click
imagine7xy: i see my root
imagine7xy: c:\
imagine7xy: program files
imagine7xy: etc
imagine7xy: its like the 2nd partition
imagine7xy: right nows its 1st -- swap, 2nd -- windows -- 3rd ubuntu
imagine7xy: on 1 harddrive
Droste: you can also boot with the windows 7 cd and go to repairconsole and run fixmbr
Droste: (if this is still the procedure... last time i did this was with win xp)
imagine7xy: what is there diffrent between the xorg package and fglrx?
imagine7xy: nevermind
tstellar: What's the outlook for r300g on IGP cards? The piglit tests are still segfaulting on my RC410.
MostAwesomeDude: SW TCL doesn't quite work again yet.
MostAwesomeDude: I should kick it a little bit harder.
MostAwesomeDude: makes a note to hack that tomorrow