agd5f__: airlied_, kipmacy_: AMD64 and atom works fine. I think in this case it's a freebsd issue
rx__: stupid netsplits
rx__: what's zaphod-lolz? ;)
kipmacy_: agd5f__: uhm ok, why would the parser bail?
kipmacy_: agd5f__: what card do you have?
kipmacy_: the radeonhd driver works fine for the single link case
kipmacy_: agd5f__: I'm willing to believe it is an OS bug, but I'm very curious why it would fail in the machine independent code given that other drivers work
rx__: agd5f owns a x1550 i believe
rx__: i don't think that's important though
rx__: agd5f must have a crappy net connection
airlied_: rx__: its old dual-head using multiple screens..
airlied_: rx__: I've decided RH customers were going to ask about it for R500 so I brought it back...
rx__: i noticed a dupe reg RADEON_MEM_SDRAM_MODE_REG & RADEON_SDRAM_MODE_REG
rx__: shall i submit another cleanup patch?
airlied_: rx__: please do..
rx__: is there any good reads for mode setting on the wiki?
airlied_: rx__: not really.. asking questions is good.. but I won'd be here until Monday too much.
airlied_: rx__: there is some info on graphics card pieces though I tihk.
rx__: well honestly i should be studying for finals
lubos: Sorry for my english. Is possible use ?texture/opengl? for XV/R200?
OipOS: Should be.
lubos: How? Exists option?
OipOS: Well, I'm not sure what you want to achieve exactly, but if DRI is turned on, then yeh, you do have opengl for r200.
lubos: Yes, but for XVideo? It look like overlay.
OipOS: Not entirely sure.
OipOS: I think you'll have to wait for someone else to give you the answer. As I should be going now.
glisse: ordchar: iirc textured video isn't implemented in xv code of radeon
glisse: but i might be wrong i am not very familiar with that part of the code
glisse: damm wrong nick sorry :)
glisse: lubos: see above
lubos: Hmm, thanks.
lubos: -j 3nel
kipmacy_: rx__: his card is so far away from mine that it isn't a particularly good comparison
rx__: did you try the 32bit install?
rx__: or were you able to?
rx__: his is r515 yours is r600 both use atombios.. so i hardly doubt that hardware is the issue
kipmacy_: rx__: better, I'm going to install 64-bit linux :D
kipmacy_: the point is to run xen, and I need to run the PAE version
rx__: i guess that helps in isolating the problem :)
kipmacy_: so that might not work
kipmacy_: (not for the card, but for my other purposes)
rx__: oh xen
kipmacy_: heh heh
ethana2: Is the DVI-out bug fixed in the latest stable code?
ethana2: If so, how do I get it and such?
ethana2: ah... you need a bot in here for that kind of thing ;)
rx__: what dvi-out bug?
ethana2: I have a Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB card
ethana2: When I upgraded from Ubuntu Feisty to Gutsy
ethana2: the DVI broke
ethana2: so I'm using the VESA driver now
ethana2: and I want to switch back, now that I have a VGA cable
rx__: did you try the latest git?
ethana2: I intend to
ethana2: I may need help
ethana2: never pulled from git before
rx__: it's not very hard ;)
ethana2: opening terminal
ethana2: what directory should I be in before pulling source?
ethana2: I don't like things building up in /, ~/, and my Desktop
Magnade: there is a repository for ubuntu that has newer drivers
ethana2: sudo apt-get install radeon?
Magnade: it will be that easy after you add a line to your sources file
Magnade: let me get the link
Magnade: that should save you from compiling
ethana2: I'm on http://ppa.launchpad.net/tormodvolden/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-ati/
ethana2: I have a 32 bit x86 machine
ethana2: ...but I'm a tad confused
ethana2: it looks like there's two that are the same
ethana2: let's see...
ethana2: oh wait
ethana2: I see it-- hey, the debug doesn't have any worse performance or anything, does it?
ethana2: I might as well install it as xorg always manages to crash over something..
Magnade: the dbg files?
Magnade: they dont hurt performance their just there if you need a back trace
ethana2: oh, ok
ethana2: And that's so I can pass it on to you if it crashes, right?
ethana2: will installing the .deb files automatically configure xorg in any way...
Magnade: yeah if it crashs that would be needed to see where it is crashing
ethana2: or is that a fun task I can look forward to..
Magnade: it shouldnt touch the configs
Magnade: as its just a driver upgrade
ethana2: got it, well, that's what I'll be doing
ethana2: hopefully it's as painless as possible
Magnade: you could try googling to see how to reconfigure under ubuntu
Magnade: there is hopefully a simple dpkg-reconfigure command you could use
rx__: oops.. back
ethana2: oh, yeah
ethana2: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
ethana2: FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): No such device
ethana2: so xorg.conf should be all set up now, right?
Magnade: grep ati /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Magnade: see if that returns anything
ethana2: grep radeon..
Magnade: yeah could be radeon also
ethana2: ethan@desktop:/etc/X11$ grep radeon xorg.conf
ethana2: ethan@desktop:/etc/X11$ grep ati xorg.conf
ethana2: # xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
ethana2: # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
ethana2: # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
ethana2: # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
ethana2: Identifier "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"
ethana2: Device "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device"
rx__: look for a Driver line
ethana2: That integrated GPU has done nothing but complicate my life...
ethana2: it only uses the intel driver
ethana2: I'd take a soldering iron to the die if it wasn't the same as my northbridge...
ethana2: bad idea, I know
ethana2: How do I tell it that I don't /care/ about the intel GPU and it can go die
ethana2: I just want the PCI card working..
rx__: make a backup of your xorg.conf
ethana2: I should have done that already...
ethana2: but ok :)
ethana2: cp xorg.conf /home/ethan?
rx__: whatever floats your boat
ethana2: now what?
kdekorte: ethana2, is there a jumper on the motherboard to disable the video card, some boards need that to make a pci card work
ethana2: I had it working before
ethana2: software broke it
ethana2: all software
ethana2: and the BIOS is set correctly
rx__: oh.. i've heard of a jumper and possibly a bios too
ethana2: so do I dive into xorg.conf with vim?
Magnade: usually the bios magicly disables onboard video if it detects a agp or pci card
ethana2: well then it's not doing its job
ethana2: cp xorg.conf /home/ethan
rx__: yep dive into it
ethana2: ethan@desktop:/etc/X11$ lspci
ethana2: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 81)
ethana2: 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 01)
Magnade: might look into a bios update at some point if its an issue
ethana2: 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 01)
ethana2: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
ethana2: 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
ethana2: 02:09.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
ethana2: 02:09.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (Secondary) (rev 01)
ethana2: 02:0b.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k HSFi Modem (rev 01)
ethana2: ...maybe should have used pastebin for that one...
rx__: maybe ;)
ethana2: as you can see, both GPU's show up... but like I said, this isn't a /problem/
ethana2: just a complicator
ethana2: as I did have the radeon driver working just fine previously
kdekorte: you probably need the 'DeviceId' '02:09.0' somewhere in the xorg.conf file
ethana2: I don't know if I've seen that before..
rx__: pastebin your xorg.conf
kdekorte: yeah that too... ;)
ethana2: a minute...
ethana2: ok, hold on, making some edits first...
Magnade: loos like its setup for the radeon already
ethana2: I just did that
ethana2: Are my edits good?
ethana2: or will it complain about the unused GPU?
ethana2: I like to keep all cards present in the file,
ethana2: used or not
ethana2: if I can
Magnade: it shouldnt care how many gpus you have
ethana2: so it's safe to restart with that xorg.conf, in your opinion?
rx__: you always have a back up ;)
Magnade: i dont see anything that makes me think stop dont...
ethana2: ok good
Magnade: worse case your stuck in console till its fixed
ethana2: here goes
rx__: imo i would (if i wanted to keep all cards present in file), comment out the intel section
ethana2: that's a pretty bad case though
ethana2: oh, ok
ethana2: I'll do that
Magnade: if you dont know how to look at logs and fix the issue yeah it could be bad
rx__: pff ubuntu.. auto adding wacom tablets
ethana2: ok, did it
ethana2: sudo restart now
ethana2: be back soon, hopefully
Magnade: rx__: i wouldnt mind that myself if they provided one to use that stuff ;P
rx__: hmm.. he gets no DRI
rx__: oh i guess someone should have mentioned he only need to restart X
rx__: my bad :/
ethana2: well, I'm at 640x480
rx__: so it worked?
Magnade: on the radeon card at least?
ethana2: I think so --
ethana2: let me verify that
Magnade: you dont know where your monitor is pluged into?
ethana2: well that's always been the ATi card
ethana2: used to be VGA
ethana2: then we had to use DVI
ethana2: now we have a VGA cable
ethana2: so I'm using that
ethana2: SubSection "Display"
ethana2: Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ethana2: those modes aren't showing up in system->administration->screens and graphics
ethana2: only the 640x480
Magnade: im thinking you prob need to pastebin your xorg log
ethana2: where do I find it?
ethana2: I think cat cut off the top
ethana2: or the terminal-- but I'm not sure
ethana2: here's what I could get.. a minute..
ethana2: that screens and graphics utility is horrible
ethana2: it assumes that I want to use the intel gpu
ethana2: I declare it useless
ethana2: alright, what's the damage?
Magnade: looks like it thinks your virutal screen size is smaller than the higher res that you want
Magnade: but you dont even have that set looking at the xorg you pasted before
ethana2: sounds like a simple fix..
Magnade: you might want to check that
ethana2: I don't get what you mean--
ethana2: my xorg.conf was changed?
Magnade: look in the screen section of your xorg.conf
Magnade: see if there is an item to set virutal sizes
ethana2: there is not
ethana2: I should add one
ethana2: ohhh, unless you mean modes
ethana2: Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
rx__: no he doesn't mean modes :)
ethana2: ok, that's what I thought
Magnade: that should be the real screen sizes
ethana2: just making sure
Magnade: and yeah looks like you need to add a virtual size of 1280x1024
Magnade: odd bug tho
ethana2: What do I add, exactly
Magnade: never seen it before
ethana2: I feel special
ethana2: I had all this going just fine
ethana2: the Gutsy upgrade asked innocently
Magnade: looks like you add Virtual 1280 1024
ethana2: this new better awesome xorg.conf is different. Replace?
ethana2: I should have been like "Keep your filthy hands of my xorg!"
Magnade: i think it goes save level as the defaultdepth item
ethana2: Monitor "Generic Monitor"
ethana2: DefaultDepth 24
ethana2: Virtual 1280 1024
ethana2: Does that look good?
ethana2: Should I write it to the file?
rx__: sure... you just need to run ctrl-alt-backspace to restart x
ethana2: will do
rx__: no need to restart the computer
ethana2: hopefully, I'll be right back
ethana2: of course not
ethana2: pff what is this, windows?
ethana2: here goes
ethana2: and then it exploded
ethana2: I'm using this laptop for irc now
ethana2: so I don't have to log back in everytime xorg dies
ethana2: but hey I gotta eat lunch now
ethana2: be back soon
rx__: i should be careful next time editing my xorg.conf.. i don't want anything to explode
ethana2: pastebin is now kinda worthless
ethana2: as I'm using a different PC
ethana2: good thing I type at 73 wpm
Magnade: so the virtual thing didnt work?
ethana2: it killed it
Magnade: ah ok
Magnade: well switch to console
ethana2: I'll have to
ethana2: I'm on two pc's right now
Magnade: you will want to look at the xorg log
ethana2: what am I looking for
Magnade: towards the bottom it should tell you why it doesnt like you now
ethana2: we'll start with the fatal errors
ethana2: oh, ok
Magnade: the virutal line might need to be moved
Magnade: is my guess
ethana2: ok, I made a bad edit I guess
ethana2: EE Error parsing the config file
Magnade: typo maybe
ethana2: Virtual is not a valid keyword in this section
ethana2: different section?
ethana2: Wait, it should be with the Device, no?
ethana2: ..instead of the screen
Magnade: screen section i believe
ethana2: running in recovery mode
Magnade: you could try moving it to the save level as the mode line
ethana2: you mean subsection?
ethana2: oh, ok
ethana2: will do
Magnade: ive never used virutal before im not sure exactly where its suppose to go
Magnade: man page isnt very useful ether
ethana2: oh, ok
ethana2: I hate the console
ethana2: I type in colemak, see-- and I don't know how to change layouts
ethana2: without a working xorg
Magnade: examples do help...
Magnade: yeah a google shows it in the mode sub section
ethana2: Section Screen
ethana2: Subsection Display
ethana2: trying that...
ethana2: or gdm?
Magnade: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
ethana2: ok, I have X
ethana2: but still a pathetic resolution
Magnade: check log again and see if it sees the virutal line and it is still saying same issue
ethana2: now my networking is having issues
ethana2: ok, my desktop no longer has a userland internet connection
ethana2: and I have no clue why
ethana2: I guess I'll restart the router or something
ethana2: be right back
Magnade: if its ubuntu
Magnade: network manager might of freaked out
ethana3: do you see this text right now?
ethana3: ok, yeah
ethana3: ok, looks like we'll just go without networking for my desktop for a while...
ethana3: 75hz refresh?
ethana3: that'll do it
ethana3: how do I set that to 60?
Magnade: that i dont know
Magnade: ive always let the thing figure it out by itself
Magnade: as long as it doesnt fry the monitor im happy
ethana3: every single mode fails
ethana3: because vrefresh is out of range
Magnade: you got the right ranges set for that monitor?
Magnade: set in the monitor section
Magnade: horizsync and vertrefresh
ethana3: Section "Screen"
ethana3: adding two lines
Magnade: those 2 lines are in the monitor section
ethana3: Section "Monitor"
ethana3: HorizSync 28-64
Magnade: if your not sure the lines are right try commenting them out
ethana3: VertRefresh 43-60
Magnade: and considering it doesnt seem to use them perhaps commenting them out will help...
ethana3: restarting xserver
ethana3: got a better resolution now
ethana3: looks like 1280x1024
ethana3: loading miro for video output test
Magnade: login and there is a gnome thing that can tell you the size and refresh rate
kdekorte: for r500 support should we be using the master or the atombios-support branch now?
ethana3: video out is good
ethana3: checking screens and graphics
ethana3: looks ok...
Magnade: ethana3: good now dont loose that config again ;)
ethana3: I'll try not to
ethana3: I'll do another backup to /home
ethana3: opengl works..
ethana3: checking performance in tremulous
ethana3: restarting to try to get networking back
ethana3: moment of truth:
ethana3: this monitor can't save simple settings to save it's life
ethana3: nope, now the resolution's messed up..
Magnade: restarting the computer caused the card to not have right resolution?
ethana3: but I got it back
ethana3: what the
ethana3: Can you see this?
Magnade: if a logout is required to get right res
Magnade: after a reboot then you got a nice bug that could be reported
Magnade: if it hasnt already been
Magnade: yeah ethana3 i can
ethana3: that was wierd...
ethana3: Well, folks, there went my IRC doppleganger
ethana3: so restart again
ethana3: and if the settings get jacked
ethana3: I've got a bug
tormod: kdekorte: use atombios-support until it's merged in master, I think
ethana3: here goes...
ethana3: where do I put this bug?
Magnade: and if you tell x to restart its happy? (ctrl-alt-backspace to for restart of x)
Magnade: if you want to avoid logging in
ethana3: nope, not happy
Magnade: what made it happy last time?
ethana3: watching me suffer
ethana3: by mucking around in xorg.conf with vim
ethana3: its kinda sadistic
Magnade: it would help for the report if you could also state what it takes to get it working
Magnade: hence my asking
ethana3: ok, loading screens and graphics
ethana3: only available resolution here is 640x480
Magnade: you said you mucked in xorg.conf did you remove something?
ethana3: just what I did here
ethana3: hey! I didn't tell screens and graphics to save changes
ethana3: what the
ethana3: restoring xorg.conf from backup
ethana3: cp backup /etc/X11
ethana3: that's the order of things right?
ethana3: source -> destination with cp
ethana3: just making sure
ethana3: restarting x
ethana3: sudo apt-get remove this_useless_screens_and_graphics_thing
ethana3: I don't remember what the package is called
ethana3: now it sees the good resolutions
Magnade: just dont load it for now
ethana3: but if I use it to change anything
ethana3: It'll rape my xserver
Magnade: so if you restart will everything be happy?
ethana3: it's at a kinda low resolution
ethana3: it's tempting to just go into screens and graphics
ethana3: and click on the one I want
ethana3: but It'd probably do unspeakable things to my xorg.conf file
Magnade: it should goto the highest res by default
ethana3: should I restart it again?
Magnade: so if it isnt there at start up it prob isnt there period
Magnade: could try
ethana3: here goes
ethana3: that's nice.
ethana3: no gnome panel
ethana3: restarting x /again/
ethana3: *crosses fingers*
ethana3: assistive technology?
ethana3: go away
ethana3: what the
ethana3: I'll try KDE instead
ethana3: ok, used the KDE System Settings program
ethana3: to set my screen resolution to the highest available
ethana3: and there's no reason this shouldn't work
ethana3: ok, it's good
ethana3: now logging out...
ethana3: just great
ethana3: gotta love GNOME
Magnade: so gnome sounds bust but kde is working?
ethana3: pretty much
ethana3: ok, if I can figure out how to use the gnome panels in KDE
ethana3: I'm a happy man
ethana3: rather, the gnome applets
Magnade: gnome issue you might try making another account and see if it loads there
Magnade: if not look into debsums and see if you can norrow down the issue
ethana3: I thank you all profusely
ethana3: so radeon can't handle as many polygons or textures at a time
ethana3: as fglrx yet
ethana3: is performance around 60%
airlied: ethana3: 3D perf isn't something people have striven for yet..
ethana3: it does really good in simple scenes though
ethana3: high resolution, high framerate
ethana3: just doesn't scale well yet
ethana3: is there anything I can do?
ethana3: ask the tungsten people to hurry up with gallium, perhaps? ;)
airlied: ethana3: re-write the driver to not suck :), I'm sure also fglrx does things we don't know how todo yet..
ethana3: but we'll get more specs in like...
ethana3: a few weeks?
glisse: airlied: well like clear buffer using z pipe i think
ethana3: ATi is turning awesome
airlied: ethana3: hopefully.. still need people to implement the featuers.
ethana3: I think my life would have been made easier
ethana3: If I did a clean install of a recent distro
ethana3: instead of that feisty->gutsy script
ethana3: gnome games are faster in kde than in gnome
ethana3: either that or that driver update did some real good :)
ethana3: Do you think ATi will be able to put any kind of pressure on nVidia?
ethana3: nVidia needs to make a Linux-PPC driver
ethana3: I don't think they have ye
ethana3: but they support bsd and opensolaris...
ethana3: It used to be said that any serious linux user used nVidia cards
ethana3: but if radeon keeps getting better, and it will,
ethana3: and is included in every major distro, and again, it will
ethana3: then it will be better for linux users to go ATi
rx__: any serious linux user used intel
rx__: not nvidia
ethana3: but intel doesn't make graphics cards
ethana3: only integrated
ethana3: I guess I mean Linux gamers
ethana3: all the dudes playing Halo in DirectX WINE
ethana3: all three of them..
rx__: any serious linux gamer uses windows in a dual boot environment :D
ethana3: I dual boot...
ethana3: but I despise windows, so I basically just play tremulous, nexuiz, openarena
ethana3: sauerbraten, and I'm really looking forward to peach
rx__: reads scrollback
ethana3: I wonder..
ethana3: Is there any way to reliably do quick gpu driver swaps?
ethana3: I guess I'll just wait for the screens and graphics utility to get less evil
rx__: quick gpu driver swaps?
ethana3: sounds like a worthless, bad idea?
ethana3: but it would be very nice
rx__: you can in your /etc/X11 directory have xorg.conf.radeon and xorg.conf.intel
rx__: and use a symlink to the desired driver for xorg.conf
rx__: other than that.. uhh.. i have no idea
ethana3: that sounds interesting...
ethana3: what's a symlink?
rx__: think shortcut
ethana3: could I have those two /and/ an xorg.conf.fglrx?
rx__: you can have as many as you want
ethana3: ok, now how do I do that and have them work?
ethana3: I would still need a regular xorg.conf, right?
rx__: the symlink takes care of the xorg.conf
ethana3: but what is it, exactly?
ethana3: auto generated, you're saying?
rx__: you would run ln -s xorg.conf.radeon xorg.conf
ethana3: ok, what's ln -s do?
rx__: ln is the symlink command -s means soft
ethana3: oh, ok
ethana3: no natural logs
ethana3: so cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.radeon
ethana3: then ln -s xorg.conf.radeon xorg.conf
rx__: well you would have to remove the xorg.conf before symlink
ethana3: rename it?
rx__: then again i don't see why you can't have both intel and radeon
ethana3: to xorg.conf.radeon?
ethana3: Me neither
ethana3: but now I'm thinking...
ethana3: do I really want to mess with this?
ethana3: i got it working
ethana3: if it ain't broke...
ethana3: *twitch twitch*
ethana3: I'll screw myself over messing with that later
ethana3: I have a samba share to set up
ethana3: ok, while I'm here,
ethana3: what's the general status of gallium?
rx__: i'm curious why the resolution worked fine with intel with given horizsync/vertrefresh but not with radeon
ethana3: never used intel for that
rx__: oh vesa
ethana3: haven't used intel since I got this card
ethana3: I'd like to use it as supplemental power with gallium
ethana3: but right now, trying wierd things like that is a bad idea
rx__: all you want to know about gallium
ethana3: It'll be nice to split WINE into two different projects
ethana3: I think it'll help us a lot
dli_: rx__, some docs says my firegl v5250 is m66ML, and X finds M56ML
rx__: with fglrx?
dli_: rx__, with radeonhd or radeon
rx__: i think that's right actually
rx__: it's more or less x1600 mobility (M56) but with a bumped clock speed
rx__: it shouldn't matter
rx__: i don't see m56ml mentioned anywhere in either radeonhd/radeon
dli_: Lenovo M56/M66CSP256GL ATOM BIOS 400e/330m LCD/CRT/DFP/TV
ethana2: Yeah, I totally murdered my gnome install
ethana2: so much for that
ethana2: I guess I'm a KDE user now
ethana2: of course, I would have become one upon the release of 4.0 anyway ;)
ethana2: I look forward to being able to do everything awesome without messing around in vim
ethana2: that'll be nice
rx__: where's the fun in that?
ethana2: well, there are other ways to get bragging rights
ethana2: like writing your own device drivers
ethana2: or lighting your beard on fire
ethana2: or single handedly implementing DX9 with gallium on nouveau ;)
Magnade: ethana2: you try using debsums? re: broken gnome
ethana2: not yet-- i've never heard of it before
ethana2: what is it?
ethana2: I mean, I remember now your saying something about it
Magnade: its a package in ubuntu
Magnade: it checks installed packages for matching md5sums
Magnade: a way to verify packages are installed correct and not corrupt
rx__: emerges world
ethana2: gentoo BSD?
rx__: that's new.. never heard of that one
ethana2: I thought gentoo had a BSD kernel version
ethana2: I also thought that BSD proper included some things beyond the kernel
ethana2: but that may be the whole wierd thing where you only have like 5 distros and they all end up seeming more like their own OSes.. like solaris
ethana2: By the way, radeon is an /x/ driver, correct?
ethana2: so it can be used with any platform that uses X?